Lincoln's Spectacular Lie

LewRockwell.com ^ | February 25, 2003 | Thomas DiLorenzo

[Keith]

utter horsesh*t.

Two words: supremacy clause.

Your constitution, know it before you post this kind of tripe.

And next time someone slanders Lincoln, I suggest you head back to Iraq where they would love to print this kind of crap.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Axis of Debka.

[Gigantor]

"utter horsesh*t.

Two words: supremacy clause."

Thanks for the great explanation of your position. It was persuasive, compelling, and powerful in its wording.

The word "Meaningful" does not do it justice.

[Aurelius]

You spell pretty well for a second grader, but your content betrays your age.

[TheDon]

DiLorenzo? We aren't still posting his garbage on FR are we? No one is buying it here, try peddling it elsewhere.

[Don'tMessWithTexas]

The supremacy clause is inapposite in this case. The reason is clear. The supremacy clause does not deal with the fundamental point that sovereignty was originally vested in the states, not the federal government. The clause is only invoked in those situations in which federal law or constitutional provisions conflict with state laws or constitutional provisons. It is much like a contract that includes a choice of law clause for purposes of clarifying matters if conflicts arise.

And to suggest that somehow a scalliwag such as Lincoln is an unapproachable American diety whose errant views cannot be challenged is simply absurd. If anything, it appears that you sir have been bamboozled by the cult of personality that has beatified ol' Abe. That same tendency toward apotheosis is what has given rise to Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Kim Jon Il and Saddam.

Do remember that ours is a government of laws, not of men. If you accuse the author or the poster of slander it is your duty to point out exactly where there statements are blasphemous. Otherwise, you, sir, are guilty of the slaner that you accuse others of committing.

[Don'tMessWithTexas]

It is amazing that Keith and theDon don't even attempt to address the validity of the aegument. Rather they immediately engage in an ad hominem attack.

[Keith]

Lincoln was not a scalawag. That was a term reserved for Southerners who cooperated with the carpet baggers.

The supremacy clause is just that. The states surrendered much of their sovereignity in order to form a union. We lost 600,000 lives working that one out. Let's give it up, ok, or do you want slavery and indentured servitude back?

Andrew Jackson himself fought this battle with his fellow southerners when he scolded John C. Calhoun one Jefferson Day dinner. Calhoun was planning on riding the nullification question into the White House. He said, "The Union--it must be preserved."

Boy, it's arguments like this that really give traction to the liberal argument that conservative are a bunch of mouth-breathing neanderthals.

[Keith]

Hey Tex, I think I DID deal with the substance, you just don't agree with the point.

Your right to do so...even if you are wrong.

So secede already...do us all a favor.

[Keith]

Gee..those who know the Constitution understand that.
Do you need a link?

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

I disagree with your assessment, which appears juvenile. Lincoln destroyed State Sovereignty. He had many strenghts and weaknesses. Paramount among his weaknesses was his prostituting the Constitution to preserve his vision of the "Union." This is fact. Lincoln in effect "destroyed the village in order to save it."

Indeed we have a Union, one accelerating toward Socialism where the power of the people and of the several States is rapidly diminished. We are headed toward Dictatorship and I'm very glad it will be far along enough I won't live to see it.

I sure hope the kids keep their guns.

[Keith]

Unbelievable...

seriously, is the consensus of the "Lincoln was the debbil" group on this forum that we would have been better off if the South has won?

Lunacy.

[gilor]

but if it wasn't for Lincoln wouldn't Kalifornia be part of PRC?

[Aurelius]

"... try peddling it elsewhere.

But it is here that the need is greatest.

[Chapita]

Lincoln was a petty tyrant! Period!

[Aurelius]

"The South lost."

That's a standard knee-jerk response to attempts at reassessment of Lincoln but it is singularly irrelevant in connection with this particular post.

[Lancey Howard]

Is it your position that if the United States finally reaches a point where the parasites are completely in charge of, and rapidly expanding, the socialist welfare state that an individual state whose citizens say "enough is enough" should NOT be able to drop out of the United States? That the citizens of such a state should simply grab their ankles 'cause here comes Uncle Sam again, looking for more money for the parasites?

I don't think I like your vision.

[The Other Harry]

The South lost. Get over it.

No, we won't.

We damn near won. Next time, we will.