[King Prout]

I am arguing that it is unconstitutional, that it is a usurpation of rights and powers by the court at the expense of the legislatures of the several states and of the people. She is arguing that it is constitutionally valid under the 9th Amendment, that it is a "natural right" of women to control their bodies, that it is right for the Court to impose an activist "progressive" rule on us all. I am counterarguing that, if she is concerned about "natural rights", where does she factor in the natural right of the unique human individual to not be executed in-utero for the sake of the mother's convenience? I need ammo. I have not ever actually read the ruling or associated opinions. That must change immediately.

[the bottle let me down]

You can also listen to the original oral argument here.

[45Auto]

Here's a link:

Roe v Wade

[MayDay72]

"...I am currently embroiled in a nasty argument (elsewhere) with a self-described feminist Libertarian..." -King Prout

...I'm quite 'libertarian' myself...But I would not consider myself 'pro-choice'...And would not consider it an insult to be labeled 'pro-life'...Have you ever been to 'Libertarians For Life':

http://www.l4l.org/

...I'm not sure if they have anything on this specific issue [the 'Constitution']...But they probably have some 'ammunition' that you could use...Probably a 'libertarian'/'natural rights' argument in favor of 'life'...Good luck...

[King Prout]

Gentlemen,
You have earned my deepest respect with your posts and demeanor.
You seem to have your heads securely bolted on, and have good understanding of the Constitution and attendant issues.
I ask you to look into this thread and advise me.
Thank you.
KP

[MayDay72]

"I'm trying to avoid all arguments based directly on matters of faith and morality, souls and "quickening" or other nebulous notions of "compelling points" here. I am trying to stick entirely to demonstrated facts and the specific powers enumerated and limited by the US Constitution." -King Prout

...There are all sorts of 'contrarian' and 'pro-life' links over here:

http://www.gargaro.com/abortion/alt.html

...You may be able to find a 'utilitarian' and 'pro-life' argument at one of the linked sites...I 'snooped' around a bit and found links to 'pro-life' 'atheists', 'feminists', 'environmentalist', 'vegan', etc...Lots of groups that you and I would usually include in the 'idiotarian' column...I guess that even a broken clock is right two time a day...

...I'll keep looking for a non-traditional [not: religious, moral, natural-rights, etc.] case against abortion that is also based on Costitutional law...But I thought that this page might point you in the right direction...Later...