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Between you and your maker (Right to Die?)
Buffalo News ^ | 3-6-2005 | MYRIAM MARQUEZ

Posted on 03/06/2005 10:36:52 AM PST by Houmatt

I loved that chirping little chick, all downy yellow, pecking away in its box. I'd rub the chick against my cheek, hold it and give it a love squeeze. Maybe a little too hard, because sometimes it would try to squirm out of my grasp. Until the day that it jumped and landed on the floor head first. It started convulsing, chirping wildly, and then its little eyes closed and it lay perfectly still.

It couldn't be dead, I prayed. No, no, and no. In search of a miracle, my 7-year-old brain came up with a plan. I would put the chick in a pan on the stove, over low heat. Like a premature baby in an incubator. The chick started to move erratically. I was pleased with my quick thinking, but once out of the pan, it was clear there was no life to it.

That was my first experience with death.

I've never told anyone what happened - well, except a priest. It was the first sin I listed in my first confession. I was a murderer. And a liar - I had told my mom that I found the chick dead in its box.

It's an odd thing to share, I know, but there's a lesson in my sorry tale. It may help explain why I remain so conflicted about what to do when people are terminally ill. At my core, I'm always praying for a miracle. I'm not alone in wondering if people should be allowed to "choose" death with dignity. Millions of Americans struggle with what is ethical, moral and just in fashioning laws giving people the "right" to die.

A living will is an easy call. If I'm brain dead or can't breathe on my own, don't hook me up to machines, thank you very much. Using science to prolong "life" that can't think or feel is anathema to life itself. But what if it's your child whose brain no longer functions past involuntary twitches? How many parents have faced such a terrifying choice? Some parents of adult children, like Terri Schiavo's, refuse to give up.

As agonizing as those decisions are, though, there's a certain spiritual satisfaction in letting a loved one who's suffering, or simply not feeling anything, go to a better place. That's the other side of the wrenching Schiavo drama.

What if you are terminally ill and your doctors have given you six months to live? Should you, being of sound mind and broken body, have the right to get your doctor to prescribe lethal doses of drugs to die?

Oregon's Death With Dignity Act allows what some believe to be state-sanctioned suicide. Why should it matter to you or me what other people want to do about their own bodies? Grab a gun or rat poisoning. Skip the middle man. Except. We want to die peacefully. Most of us want to make the call about our quality of life when ill, so help us God. And good doctors already help horribly ill patients die every day. Just a bit more morphine not only eases the pain but eventually weakens the heart until it gives out.

One man's suicide can be another's death with dignity, can't it? That's the fundamental question the U.S. Supreme Court will decide in the Oregon case, though it need not go so far. It only has to address the legal issue of whether the federal government's Controlled Substances Act can usurp Oregon's 1997 law. The Bush administration argues that Oregon's doctors can't use medications meant under the federal law for a "legitimate medical purpose" to help patients die.

To me, Oregon's law is narrowly tailored for ex tremely ill people and doesn't cross over the ethical line to assisted suicide for people not as gravely ill. As it stands, only 171 patients have opted for it since 1997. And it should be their choice.

Yet with his intervention in Oregon, President Bush wants to put his own spiritual imprint on medi cal care, deciding how we should die. We have souls to save, he implies, and suicide is a ticket to hell.

If choosing death with dignity is a sin, let that be between me and my maker - and you and yours. Gov ernment shouldn't play God.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; judicialtyranny; killer; medicalmurder; schiavo; t4; terrischiavo; torturer; wifebeater
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To: DManA

41 posted on 03/06/2005 1:20:10 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Houmatt
The right to take one's own life is de facto, if one is really determined, it's almost impossible to stop them. But as a society it is barbaric and unconscionable to endorse suicide in any form.
42 posted on 03/06/2005 1:20:21 PM PST by thoughtomator (Gleefully watching the self-demolition of all things left-wing)
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To: HangnJudge

That Hippocrates really knew the value of a life, didn't he? I commended you for living your Oath.


43 posted on 03/06/2005 1:20:47 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Disconnect GREER, not the feeding tube!!!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

OMG...Terri WOULD NOT UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.... There is so much misinformation about this case, it's astounding. You really think that she would understand that question if posed to her? Do you? Because people's eyes are open and they seem to respond to stimuli, does not make them coherent. That's what a PVS is.


44 posted on 03/06/2005 1:21:24 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Ohioan from Florida

I couldn't have paid for the education my Mother gave me.

Young Physicians and Nurses frequently are the worst at dealing with death. They try to ignore it, fix it or joke about it.

What most people need is someone to sit down eye to eye and treat them like they are still real people.


45 posted on 03/06/2005 1:22:55 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Certified cause of Post Traumatic Redhead Syndrome)
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To: DJ MacWoW
A Visit With Terri Schiavo

Attorney Barbara Weller

This past Christmas Eve day, 2004, I went to visit Terri Schiavo with her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, her sister, her niece, and Attorney David Gibbs III. The visit took place at the Woodside Hospice for about 45 minutes just before noon.

When I knew I was going to visit Terri with her parents, I had no idea what to expect. I was prepared for the possibility that the Schindlers love their daughter and sister so much that they might imagine behaviors by Terri that aren't actually evident to others. The media and Mr. Schiavo clearly give the impression that Terri is in a coma or comatose state and engages only in non-purposeful and reflexive movements and responses. I am a mother and a grandmother, as well as one of the Schindlers’ attorneys, and I could understand how parents might imagine behavior and purposeful activity that is not really there. I was prepared to be as objective as I could be during this visit and not to be disappointed at anything I saw or experienced.

I was truly surprised at what I saw from the moment we entered the little room where Terri is confined. The room is a little wider than the width of two single beds and about as long as the average bedroom, with plenty of room for us to stand at the foot of her bed. Terri is on the first floor and there is a lovely view to the outside grounds of the facility. The room is entered by a short hallway, however, and there is no way for Terri to see out into the hallway or for anyone in the hallway to observe Terri.

From the moment we entered the room, my impression was that Terri was very purposeful and interactive and she seemed very curious about the presence of obvious strangers in her room. Terri was not in bed, but was in her chair, which has a lounge chair appearance and elevates her head at about a 30-degree angle. She was dressed and washed, her hair combed, and she was covered with a holiday blanket. There were no tubes of any kind attached to her body. She was completely free of any restraints that would have indicated any type of artificial life support. Not even her feeding tube was attached and functioning when we entered, as she is not fed 24 hours a day.

The thing that surprised me the most about Terri as I took my turn to greet her by the side of her chair was how beautiful she is. I would have expected to see someone with a sallow and gray complexion and a sick looking countenance. Instead, I saw a very pretty woman with a peaches and cream complexion and a lovely smile, which she even politely extended to me as I introduced myself to her. I was amazed that someone who had not been outside for so many years and who received such minimal health care could look so beautiful. She appeared to have an inner light radiating from her face. I was truly taken aback by her beauty, particularly under the adverse circumstances in which she has found herself for so many years.

Terri’s parents, sister, and niece went immediately to greet Terri when we entered the room and stood in turn directly beside her head, stroking her face, kissing her and talking quietly with her. When she heard their voices, and particularly her mother's voice, Terri instantly turned her head towards them and smiled. Terri established eye contact with her family, particularly with her mother, who spent the most time with her during our visit. It was obvious that she recognized the voices in the room with the exception of one. Although her mother was talking to her at the time, she obviously had heard a new voice and exhibited a curious demeanor. Attorney Gibbs was having a conversation near the door with Terri’s sister. His voice is very deep and resonant and Terri obviously picked it up. Her eyes widened as if to say, “What’s that new sound I hear?” She scanned the room with her eyes, even turning her head in his direction, until she found Attorney Gibbs and the location of the new voice and her eyes rested momentarily in his direction. She then returned to interacting with her mother.

When her mother was close to her, Terri’s whole face lit up. She smiled. She looked directly at her mother and she made all sorts of happy sounds. When her mother talked to her, Terri was quiet and obviously listening. When she stopped, Terri started vocalizing. The vocalizations seemed to be a pattern, not merely random or reflexive at all. There is definitely a pattern of Terri having a conversation with her mother as best she can manage. Initially, she used the vocalization of “uh’uh” but without seeming to mean it as a way of saying “no”, just as a repeated speech pattern. She then began to make purposeful grunts in response to her mother’s conversation. She made the same sorts of sound with her father and sister, but not to the same extent or as delightedly as with her mother. She made no verbal response to her niece or to Attorney Gibbs and myself, but she did appear to pay attention to our words to her.

The whole experience was rather moving. Terri definitely has a personality. Her whole demeanor definitely changes when her mother speaks with her. She lights up and appears to be delighted at the interaction. She has an entirely different reaction to her father who jokes with her and has several standing jokes that he uses when he enters and exits her presence. She appears to merely “tolerate” her father, as a child does when she says “stop” but really means, “this is fun.” When her father greets her, he always does the same thing. He says, “here comes the hug” and hugs her. He then says, “you know what’s coming next---the kiss.” Her father has a scratchy mustache and both times when he went through this little joke routine with her, she laughed in a way she did not do with anyone else. When her father is ready to plant the kiss on her cheek, she immediately makes a face her family calls the “lemon face.” She puckers her lips, screws up her whole face, and turns away from him, as if making ready for the scratchy assault on her cheek that she knows is coming. She did the exact same thing both times that her father initiated this little routine joke between the two of them.

The interactions with her family and our appearance in her room appeared to require some effort and exertion from Terri. From time to time, she would close her eyes as if to rest. This happened primarily when no one was paying particular attention to her, but we were talking among ourselves. After a few minutes or when one of the visitors approached her and started to talk directly to her again, Terri would open her eyes and begin her grunting sounds again in response to their conversations. Although I approached her, leaned close and stroked her arms and spoke to her, she did not verbally respond to me.

Terri’s hands are curled up around little soft cylinders that help her not to injure herself. I understand that these contractures are likely very painful, although there was a time when Terri was receiving simple motion therapy when her hands and arms relaxed and were no longer as constricted. When the therapy was discontinued by order of her guardian and the court, the contractures returned. These contractures would apparently be avoidable if Terri were given the simple range of motion therapy she previously received. It is very sad to observe firsthand these conditions that make her life more difficult, but that would be correctable with little effort.

When we were preparing to leave, the interactions with Terri changed. First, she went through the joke routine with her father and the “lemon face.” When her niece said goodbye to her, Terri did not react. Nor did she react to me or to Attorney Gibbs when we said our goodbyes to her. When her sister went to her to say goodbye, Terri’s verbalizations changed dramatically. Instead of the happy grunting and “uh uh” sounds she had been making throughout the visit, her verbalizations at these goodbyes changed to a very low and different sound that appeared to come from deep in her throat and was almost like a growl. She first made the sound when her sister said goodbye and then, amazingly to me, she made exactly the same sound when her mother said goodbye to her. It seemed Terri was visibly upset that they were leaving. She almost appeared to be trying to cling to them, although this impression came only from her changed facial expression and sounds, since her hands cannot move. It appeared like she did not want to be alone and knew they were leaving. It was definitely apparent in the short time I was there that her emotions changed—it was apparent when she was happy and enjoying herself, when she was amused, when she was resting from her exertion to communicate, and when she was sad at her guests leaving. It was readily apparent and surprising that her mood changed so often in a short 45-minute visit.

I was pleasantly surprised to observe Terri’s purposeful and varied behaviors with the various members of her family and with Attorney Gibbs and myself. I never imagined Terri would be so active, curious, and purposeful. She watched people intently, obviously was attempting to communicate with each one in various ways and with various facial expressions and sounds. She was definitely not in a coma, not even close. This visit certainly shed more light for me on why the Schindlers are fighting so hard to protect her, to get her medical care and rehabilitative assistance, and to spend all they have to protect her life.

I realize that Terri has good days and bad days. There are obviously days when she does not interact with her family, as they had previously told us. There are also apparently days when Terri is even more interactive and responsive to them than she was on the day I visited. Since this visit I am more convinced than ever that the Schindlers are not just parents who refuse to let go of their daughter. There really is a lot going on with their daughter and potentially, it seemed obvious to me, Terri could improve even more with appropriate care and 24 hour a day love that can only come from a dedicated family. As I watched her, my foremost thought was that on the next day, Christmas, Terri should not have been confined to her small room in a hospice center, nice as that room was, but that she should have been gathered around the Christmas dinner table enjoying the holiday with her family.

MEDIA: Call the Gibbs Law Firm Media Director, Mr. Keith Brickell, at O:727-399-8300 or C:727-458-4824 to arrange an interview with Attorney David Gibbs III or Attorney Barbara Weller.

46 posted on 03/06/2005 1:23:15 PM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: PhilDragoo
When we are in the presence of the miracle of life, it stills all mocking, leaving only awe.

The truth enrobed in sheer poetry.

47 posted on 03/06/2005 1:23:40 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Disconnect GREER, not the feeding tube!!!)
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To: DManA
No one wants to see warehouses full of Terris being kept alive indefinitely on machines. Do they?

And I'm tired of the disabled/handicapped getting the best parking spaces. Vegetables in wheelchairs. It costs us tons of money to build all those stupid wheelchair ramps.

And who uses the 'special' toilet in the bathrooms? That cost a pretty penny my friend.

Wasting money, getting in the way, unable to take care of themselves. I say we put them out of their misery.

(/sarcasm)

48 posted on 03/06/2005 1:24:35 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Hildy

49 posted on 03/06/2005 1:26:01 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Disconnect GREER, not the feeding tube!!!)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
This one is much more informative and honest:

THE REAL, UNBIASIED FACTS OF THE TERRI SCHIAVO CASE

50 posted on 03/06/2005 1:27:14 PM PST by Hildy
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To: PhilDragoo

It sounds like you are having the same kind of year that I am.

I am very sorry for your losses and happy that your Smarter Half is in remission.

All life potentially has value. Life is full of lessons and sometimes in times of sorrow and grief you can overlook them.

I wouldn't trade $50M for the last week, turning my Mom, doing skin care, sitting and talking to her.

I got the opportunity to put love into action, and had the opportunity to be of service to her after all her years of service to me.

My experience with her made me a far , far better nurse.


51 posted on 03/06/2005 1:29:21 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Certified cause of Post Traumatic Redhead Syndrome)
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52 posted on 03/06/2005 1:29:33 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: UCANSEE2
(/sarcasm)

(misplaced)

53 posted on 03/06/2005 1:29:50 PM PST by DManA
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To: Houmatt

I see NOTHING wrong with the attitude that YOUR LIFE is in YOUR HANDS and between YOU and YOUR maker. It is the part that INVOLVES SOMEONE else that bothers me. You wanna die, your perogative.......just don't employ someONE else to help you because then it is NOT ONLY BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR MAKER!!


54 posted on 03/06/2005 1:33:04 PM PST by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: DManA
No one wants to see warehouses full of Terris being kept alive indefinitely on machines. Do they?

No, they should all just go up in smoke. *Poof*

/sarcasm

55 posted on 03/06/2005 1:39:00 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Disconnect GREER, not the feeding tube!!!)
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To: freekitty

You are curious about how much better Terri would be today with therapy....

Well, my sis-in-law was in worse shape than Terri. She had a horrible brain injury. Doctors said she would never recover and would die. Those doctors were very wrong. She did recover. Not completely, but almost.

Having experienced a brain injured person come back from what was called PVS, I know without a doubt, Terri would have continued to improve with Therapy. I believe she has improved some without therapy. The few who have been permitted to visit with Terri, report how alert she is.

Why won't people believe the reports from eye witnessess? Terri is NOT PVS or hopeless. This isn't about letting or allowing people to die. This instead, is about MAKING TERRI DIE by STARVATION.

People need to wake up and realize the Right to Die will never go away. That choice is another issue. Terri's husband is Making Terri Die.


56 posted on 03/06/2005 1:39:13 PM PST by Pepper777 (HINO - Why won't you LET the MEDIA SEE Terri?)
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To: Lesforlife

Lesforlife wrote - TERRI ISN'T DYING~!!

I agree 100,000 percent. Terri is being made to die by the court and her so called husband.

I'm really tired of articles that spin the facts.


57 posted on 03/06/2005 1:42:08 PM PST by Pepper777 (HINO - Why won't you LET the MEDIA SEE Terri?)
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To: Hildy

It's rife with errors.

I have a better idea. What if Terri is tested with the new technology and we find out that she is not PVS? If she's conscious, would you still insist on her being dehydrated to death? In all of its gruesome agony?


58 posted on 03/06/2005 1:47:55 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Disconnect GREER, not the feeding tube!!!)
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To: Hildy
You and I disagree about her PVS status. And it's ok that we do. You've read and believed different info than I have. I don't have a problem with that either. But I believe Dr Hammesfahr, Mr Brodersen, Atty Gibbs, C. Johnson, , Carla Iyer, Dr Richard Neubauer, Trudy Capone, Dr. William Scott Russell, Sara Green Mele, MS, CCC-SLP, And Atty Barbara Weller.
60 posted on 03/06/2005 1:52:01 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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