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My apologies to (some of) the 'save Terri' posters here (a 'vanity' post)
Self ^ | 10/29/03 | Self

Posted on 10/28/2003 10:27:31 PM PST by Normally a Lurker

In some of my posts (maybe in many of my posts) here in recent days I have been rude to various other posters; most often though just when responding to posts that were insulting and rude to me. However, in reviewing various threads last night I realized that I might have at times been rude to someone who had not initiated that rudeness with me.

To those individuals I hereby apologize.

I do not wish to diminish my apology, but I would like to explain my actions. There are a very large number of posters here who (IMHO) are operating from an emotional basis, rather than a factual and logical basic, and who are very rude with anyone who disagrees with there positions.

When a relatively few objective / logical posters are positioned (by virtue of common opinions) among such a 'crowd,' it's often difficult to distinguish them. This is especially true when, in a short period of time, one has just dealt with 8-10 rude, illogical, emotional posters; and one then encounters another poster presenting the same opinions and asking the same questions, albeit, sans rudeness.

In any case, that is my excuse. But my apology (to those certain objective, logical posters to whom I've been rude) is sincere, and I'll try to do better in the future.

I would give individual apologies privately, but with the unusually large volume of posters in these threads, I'm afraid I'd overlook a few who deserve my apology. (Also, some of you I'm still unsure about.) As appropriate with some of you here, I hope you will be able to sense this though from my future exchanges with you.

Finally a warning to others: For so long as you continue to be rude to me, I will likely respond in kind. And, if you continue repeated the same illogical questions over and over, I will likely become increasingly 'testy' in my responses to you.


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1 posted on 10/28/2003 10:27:31 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: Normally a Lurker
WOW... a thread devoted to an apology??? You certainly have FRespect. I've visited some of those threads, but not really participated in them.
2 posted on 10/28/2003 10:33:16 PM PST by cyborg (Kyk nou, die ding wat jy soek issie hierie sienj)
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To: Normally a Lurker
Hey, NAL! Welcome back. Long time, no see! I remember the good old days in North Texas, standing outside watching Clinton's goons bus in supporters while FReepers showed up in their own cars carrying home made signs. My article, "Rights? What Rights?" about your trip (with Basil and others) to east Texas is still carried on several websites and discussed!

You were my introduction to FR, and I'll never forget you! I was simply "TheWriter" back then, but two kids and some major health complications kept me away from FR for a while. Looks like we are both "coming home."

3 posted on 10/28/2003 10:34:26 PM PST by TheWriterInTexas (Under Seige - MWCF)
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To: cyborg
Dear Cyborg:

NAL deserves respect. He's a old time FReeper, back from the early days (5 or 6 years ago), and was very active for a long time. Brought a lot of people on board and made a big difference in our little corner of the world.

A lot of the newer folks may not recognize the name, but I did instantly.

4 posted on 10/28/2003 10:37:07 PM PST by TheWriterInTexas (Under Seige - MWCF)
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To: TheWriterInTexas
That's good. I admire humility. That is a trait sorely lacking in a few folks on FR.
5 posted on 10/28/2003 10:38:45 PM PST by cyborg (Kyk nou, die ding wat jy soek issie hierie sienj)
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To: Normally a Lurker
Apology accepted, Normally a Lurker...


6 posted on 10/28/2003 10:39:04 PM PST by ambrose
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To: Normally a Lurker
Don't expect too many apologies from the Terri-ites.
I still don't know what to think about the case, but I can say that those threads were characterized
by a rampant hysteria seldom equaled here.
Anyone who dared even question the Save-Terri position was treated as if he were Dr Kevorkian posting from his prison cell.
7 posted on 10/28/2003 10:40:43 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: TheWriterInTexas
I'd see him pop up a couple of times a year and post, "NaL!....Where you been?"

His answer...?

"Lurking".

8 posted on 10/28/2003 10:42:56 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: Normally a Lurker
I've been reading those Schiavo threads and I hate to tell you, but you come off as one detestable individual. Glad you finally realized what you were doing, most people don't.

Your somewht tortuous apology here is accepted by me, can't speak for the posters you actually directed your posts to. I had put you on my internal "ignore him, he's an jerk" list, but will pull you off and put you on probation...... for now.
9 posted on 10/28/2003 10:43:10 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Why not go out on a limb, isn't that where the fruit is?)
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To: WackyKat
Don't expect too many apologies from the Terri-ites.

They have no reason to apologize.

Read this post again. Normally A Lurker is aplogizing for HIS behavior on the Schiavo threads. The "Terri-ites" have been quite polite, considering NAL was barraging their threads with rude, offensive comments.

HE is apologizing to THEM. And rightly so.

10 posted on 10/28/2003 10:48:07 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Why not go out on a limb, isn't that where the fruit is?)
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To: Normally a Lurker
I'm just glad to see you back!!
11 posted on 10/28/2003 10:52:22 PM PST by dandelion
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To: TheWriterInTexas
Damn - a good screen name to see.

Is it two kids - or three or four, by now?

12 posted on 10/28/2003 11:03:06 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: ambrose
You for sure deserve it, if I jumped your case. In fact, I have great respect for (at least most of) your posts.
13 posted on 10/28/2003 11:04:48 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: WackyKat
I'm not looking for apologies from anyone. i'm just giving a few. (But you're fully right about MOST of that group.)
14 posted on 10/28/2003 11:06:48 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: eddie willers
Right EW - another old timer it's good to 'see'.
15 posted on 10/28/2003 11:07:36 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: Auntie Mame
OK . . . but please go and read some ot the posts to me to which I was responding. (I've been called every name in the book, and often by people to whom I'd never posted - from the time of my first post in one of those threads.)

But there are those to whom I'm sincerely apologizing.

16 posted on 10/28/2003 11:10:40 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: Auntie Mame
They have no reason to apologize.

Read this post again. Normally A Lurker is aplogizing for HIS behavior on the Schiavo threads. The "Terri-ites" have been quite polite, considering NAL was barraging their threads with rude, offensive comments.

HE is apologizing to THEM. And rightly so.

Now there you go, and just a very mild example.

I didn't that those were "their" private threads. In fact, I posted qyite a few articles there myself, and saw many unwarrent insults of me. Just how did my article posting become their private threads?

I'll wait for you explanation.

17 posted on 10/28/2003 11:15:22 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: dandelion
Thanks
18 posted on 10/28/2003 11:15:46 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: Normally a Lurker
No, the pic is a joke. On this issue, I'm your side. You and me, we's da same! (obscure "Falling Down" reference)
19 posted on 10/28/2003 11:16:51 PM PST by ambrose
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To: Normally a Lurker
While we are at it, I want to apolgize to all those on threads that I didnt apologize for
20 posted on 10/28/2003 11:20:01 PM PST by woofie (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like Grandpa ...not screaming, like the passengers in his car)
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To: Normally a Lurker
On second thought please forget that last apology
21 posted on 10/28/2003 11:21:54 PM PST by woofie (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like Grandpa ...not screaming, like the passengers in his car)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, please review this thread, particualrly posts #'s 9, 10, 16, and 17 above.

Given that rather typical attitude among (most of) the 'save Terri' crowd, I'd like to suggest that you set up a separate forum for 'their' posts, and keep them off of the main forum here . . . for obvious reasons.

22 posted on 10/28/2003 11:22:36 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: ambrose
I knew that we were on the same 'side' here - I was just afraid that I might made a rude post to you somewhere along the way.
23 posted on 10/28/2003 11:24:12 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: Normally a Lurker
ouch, you got moved to the backroom already and there are less than 30 posts.
24 posted on 10/28/2003 11:32:24 PM PST by honeygrl (All of the above is JUST MY OPINION)
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To: honeygrl
ouch, you got moved to the backroom already and there are less than 30 posts.

As well I should have. I thought I had post it ther myself. I musta screwed up qith my check marks in the posting process.

25 posted on 10/28/2003 11:40:32 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: Normally a Lurker
Damn cat walked across the keyboard again. (see above)
26 posted on 10/28/2003 11:42:20 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: Normally a Lurker
Nice thread and yes, emotions are high regarding this case.

But I still think you are wrong .. so there :^*

just kidding .. smooches
27 posted on 10/28/2003 11:59:08 PM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Mo1
just kidding .. smooches

What next? . . . you're about to make me start singing "killing me softly . . ." (if you can stand a little gallows humor).

28 posted on 10/29/2003 12:16:38 AM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: Normally a Lurker
Yes, I still have some humor left .. and yes that was funny *L*

But you're still wrong ;0)

29 posted on 10/29/2003 12:18:49 AM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Normally a Lurker
You conducted yourself in a calm, reasoned and intelligent manner without resorting to personal attacks, unlike, say, Poster #10 on this thread. Congratulations -- I don't think that you have anything to apologize for -- you are a gentleman.
30 posted on 10/29/2003 12:56:34 AM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: Normally a Lurker
The only thing that really bothered me was your continuous sarcasm. It seemed out of place. I think that's a lot of what set people off.

Anyway, apology accepted. Just don't do it again, LOL. ;-)
31 posted on 10/29/2003 2:23:41 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: Siamese Princess
Thank you kind princess. But clearly I am not always such.
33 posted on 10/29/2003 4:55:09 AM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: Normally a Lurker
Good morning, NAL, just wanted to say I enjoyed our reasoned discussion of yesterday and look forward to more of the same in the future. Unless, of course, you return to lurking. :)
34 posted on 10/29/2003 6:16:47 AM PST by agrace
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To: agrace
Likewise, but at the rate of exchange the opast 2-3 days, my burnout point may not be too far away.
35 posted on 10/29/2003 7:15:28 AM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: WackyKat; Normally a Lurker
You are right, there is a touch of hysteria here, but it is a justified hysteria.

No one is trying to take a way your 'right-to-die' except those who support Michael Schiavo. Their misuse of laws and protections that are in place to protect people's rights will do way more damage to your cause than those who advocate life extension at all costs. . Their misuse of the system will result in more red tape and more court interferences and one day may actually prevent people from opting out of medical interventions.

Americans are too easily sucked in by anyone who seems to be taking the same position that they are taking. We all need to be a little more discriminating about who we choose as the leaders of our advocacy.

36 posted on 10/29/2003 9:59:28 AM PST by TaxRelief (Ask me about the connection between Socialism, Communism, Drug Warlords and Vodka.)
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To: TaxRelief
Excellent analysis and comment. Would that more posters here would imulate you.
38 posted on 10/29/2003 10:07:40 AM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: No More Gore Anymore
Amazing, and amusing, comments!

To resummarize my 'apology' thread: I apologized to anyone who I may have been rude to, who had not initially approached me with rudeness and insults. I said I'd try to avoid that in the future. but I said rudeness and insults posted to me would be met with some modicum of the same.

I'm rather restrained in responding to you extremely insulting posts, as I have been with you, generally, in the past.

Please reread your posts to me and repost them, sans insults, and my restriant might be even greater with you.

39 posted on 10/29/2003 10:13:35 AM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: No More Gore Anymore; Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson
Mr Gore, I have made a seecond response to your above post here and jointly addressed it to the Admin Mod and Jim Rob, in that maybe a review of our current and recent past exchanges is in order.

Im trying to exercise restraint here, but you are making it very difficult.

40 posted on 10/29/2003 10:18:37 AM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: Normally a Lurker
No, those are more of your lies. You have been very rude and evasive to me ,and to anyone else who questions your posts, your statements or your attacks on other people . I suggest to you that if you don't want feedback about your fake apology, you shouldn't start a thread about it.

You start these threads, then run away whenever anyone shows you to be wrong. Then you start another thread and do the same. You want to have Jim overlook that and my excahnges with you... go ahead and cry abuse. After what you have done here these last few days, and the names you have called people, you should be ashamed of yourself, not crying for yet another way out of the hole you find yourself in. You don't want me to keep questioning you? Then why don't you stop making outrageous statements about my motivations, my ability to collect data and my personal knowledge about things that you show no understanding of.

You want to disagree with me about my findings, fine that is your right, but the "doe in the headlight" number, after you have degraded my posts and what I believe in , and after you have mocked the good people here on FR, is way out of line.

You want a chance to turn over a new leaf and start again.. fine by me, but you will first need some small amount of sincerity and an ability to tell the truth. Why not start here and now.

42 posted on 10/29/2003 12:23:01 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Normally a Lurker
Hi Nal. I didn't even know you had come back to FR. I hope you are enjoying your move to sunny Florida.

Take care kitten.

43 posted on 10/29/2003 12:31:56 PM PST by unsycophant
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To: No More Gore Anymore
I suggest that you cease stalking me with such insults apparently trying (along with a few of your co-horts) to goad me into further inappropriate exchanges.

Or, keep digging, if you prefer.

44 posted on 10/29/2003 12:37:33 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: unsycophant
it's good to 'see you' again - looks like I've a lot to catch up on
45 posted on 10/29/2003 12:38:57 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: No More Gore Anymore
OK you 'win'.

After some review and discussion with others, and about to hit the burnout stage anyway, I hereafter plan to avoid discussions with you and your co-horts on the "Terri' subject. And, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't 'stalk' me to other threads where I may be posting, IF you paln to continue to insult me.

In hindsite, my efforts in those threads have essentially been a wast of time anyway.

Good luck with your cause - I hope it turns out in the best why possible for those involved personally.

46 posted on 10/29/2003 12:55:23 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: Normally a Lurker
How am I staking you if you keep posting a new vanity thread every hour. I have a right to respond to any thread here. Show me how I have stalked you. You call me names, post idiotic statemnts about me , and then run away. Only in this case you have reported me to Jim Robinson and now are calling me a stalker.

Why do you keep posting new threads ,on every thought that comes into your mind ,if you don't want people to discuss your thoughts. You put them out here for everyone to see. I am merely exercising my rights. Stalking is something else. But again you are a liar. I am not now, nor have I ever stalked you.

47 posted on 10/29/2003 12:55:36 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Normally a Lurker
I am not stalking you. If you post on a Terri thread I will see you there. If you post something I disagree with I will say so. If you then call me a liar and other outrageous things ,then I will call you on it. Otherwise ,I beleive you are entitled to your opinions and I have no issue with you posting them or reason to berate you, I have never called you any names because you disagree with me. I didn't "win" and I am not "stalking" you.

Your time has been wasted because you are in such a hurry to assume no one knows anything about this case that you don't know. Just like your Anti- Terri cohorts. I hope they do not win.

48 posted on 10/29/2003 1:14:59 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: No More Gore Anymore
How am I staking you if you keep posting a new vanity thread every hour

First, I've post only two 'vanity' threads in the past week or so, not one every hour. Please get your facts straight.

The first one was to provide a single place to respond to the same question that you and your co-horts kept asking me over and over again in every thread in which I posted. IMHO, a reasonable time-saving (for everyone) approach to answering YOUR GROUP's repeated question. Not actually a 'vanity' thread, just a means of acomplishing the objective stated.

The second was the 'apology' tread. Almost everyone else here appeared to accept the apology in the spiirit that it was offered. You, however, came to it apparewntly solely for the purpost of hurling insults at me (I'd call that stalking - maybe not).

I asked you to cease such inappropriate posts in that thread, and yet you repeated the same a little later. Largely because of the abuse-only nature of your posts there, I consider it stalking.

Why do you keep posting new threads ,on every thought that comes into your mind

You again need to get your facts straight. I did post the two 'vanities' discussed above - to answer your groups common repeated question (not a thought that came into my head, but rather to answere a question that you and others ask). It may be fair tocall the apology thread a thought that came into my head - but may not fair.

Any other threads that I've posted this week have been current or recent article from newspapers or, in one case, from a medical journal's web site. None of these were 'thoughts that came into my head'.

Now, I am respectfully asking your to cease posting to me, or about me, on any thread on any subject. I realize that you 'have the right' to post to/about me, but (especially if you continue to post predominantly insults to me) I'll still consider it abuse and stalking - actually stalking for the purpose of abuse.

49 posted on 10/29/2003 1:30:22 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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To: No More Gore Anymore
I repeat my above request. I hope that I can assume that will be your last post to me, at least in this thread.
50 posted on 10/29/2003 1:32:25 PM PST by Normally a Lurker
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