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To: connectthedots
"Jean, you did post a Q&A regarding God predestining all sins committed by all men. Quite franky, I think the verses cited are at best inconclusive as to that argument when read in context."

I think the Heidelberg Catechism is pretty clear, ctd:

Question 27. What dost thou mean by the providence of God?

Answer. The almighty and everywhere present power of God; whereby, as it were by his hand, he upholds and governs heaven, earth, and all creatures; so that herbs and grass, rain and drought, fruitful and barren years, meat and drink, health and sickness, riches and poverty, yea, and all things come, not by chance, but by his fatherly hand.

"ALL THINGS"!!!

In other words, ~NOTHING~ comes by chance -not a car accident, not a mugging, not sickness, not a hi-jacked plain flown into a building- ALL things come by his fatherly hand!

The context is quite clear.

You have asked for a Q&A from the Heidelberg Catechism and I have shown you.

Jean

248 posted on 12/25/2003 8:44:46 AM PST by Jean Chauvin
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To: Jean Chauvin
NOTHING~ comes by chance -not a car accident, not a mugging, not sickness, not a hi-jacked plain flown into a building-

Sounds kinda hyper to me. Ecclesiastes 9:11 says: I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

263 posted on 12/25/2003 10:53:04 AM PST by Ex-Wretch
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To: Jean Chauvin
Yes you have, and I can see why a reasonable person who reach your conclusion based on the HC. I simply think you may be overstating what it means or the HC Q&A misconstrues the Bible on the topic; not that I think it was an intentional misconstruction, but that it is an error.
275 posted on 12/25/2003 11:34:47 AM PST by connectthedots
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