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To: Jean Chauvin
If the authors of the HC had wanted to stated that God predestined all sins of all men, I am quite confident that they could have written that in clear language.

I think men too often try to read meanings and intentions into the statements of others, that while marginally justifiable, are not within the intent of the author. This is called 'parsing'. Some of it done with malicious and devious intent; or it could be merely an unintentional misunderstanding.

In a nutshell, I cannot reconcile that God fordained/predestined every sin committed by every man while also maintaining that man is responsible for all his sins.

I also have been pretty clear that in 'special circumstances', God did cause men to sin in particular ways in order to make his power and Glory known to mankind for all time. Di God predestine that Judas would betray Christ? Absolutely. It is also arguable that Judas repented of his sins by trying to return the money and then taking his own life.

I do think that one can reconcile the two opposing positions regarding predestination in some situations and man's ability to choose or reject the Gospel message. To me, there is no logical inconsistency.

458 posted on 12/26/2003 12:39:27 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
"If the authors of the HC had wanted to stated that God predestined all sins of all men, I am quite confident that they could have written that in clear language."

They did!

"...and all things come, not by chance, but by his fatherly hand."

That sounds pretty clear to me.

Jean

545 posted on 12/26/2003 9:16:09 PM PST by Jean Chauvin (If God foreknew how and when he would change his mind -then he did NOT changed his mind.)
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