Our Glorious Gospel

Answers For Today ^ | Chuck Smith

[xzins]

You waste your time conversing with some of them.

Unless, of course, you're just spoiling for a little dust up. :>)

[xzins]

Romans 2: 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them

Jude's interpretation of total depravity must take into account the above line that says that men CAN by nature do things required by the law.

[CCWoody]

Perhaps I was not clear (perhaps I was, but you'd distort it anyway). ~ CS

For presuming evil in your brother, you need to quickly order "Jesus-on-a-Rope" and stick it in your mouth and clean it. Hurry, cause the offer is only good for a limited time.

IOW - within every man there is need for something more. In a sinful state, we don't know what that is. ~ CS

If sinful man doesn't even know what he needs, then how is it possible for him to seek what he needs in a sincere and faithful heart without there first being a change in his nature so that he can see what he needs?

Woody.

[jude24]

Outward morality does not reflect service to God, or comprehension of the same.

[P-Marlowe]

And here I was thinking that YOU --- the king of animated links --- would be ABLE to link me to the cartoon itself!

This is as good as it gets:

N³

[xzins]

So, then, are you saying that your definition of total depravity allows that humans can behave with outward morality in accordance with the law?

[ponyespresso]

Saved for my own study

pony

[xzins]

That WEAK gif suggest to me that you are in a serious depression today. Lethargic, without energy, creative juices blocked,...etc., etc., psycho-babble mumbo-jumbo...

We need a Knights Convention to PERK you up!

N³

[CCWoody]

I use the Geneva Bible because it is our Reformed & Protestant Bible. I love the language. And, it is very plain in meaning and didn't apologize by the translation with the abundance of Calvinistic verses. Many people don't like the Geneva Bible because it is too Calvinistic.

And, in my daily devotionals this year, I have put up my cherished NJK translation (I've flat worn the thing out and it is falling apart) and am reading from the Geneva Bible.

Also, in my special project I'm actually building my own Geneva Bible, which I will have bound after it is complete.

Woody.

P.S. Thanks for calling it the "Great" Bible.

[Corin Stormhands]

You waste your time conversing with some of them.

I didn't wake the Balrog.

[Corin Stormhands]

I presume nothing. I've got plenty of evidence. But that's a mere distraction on your part.

What is the chief and highest end of man?

Is that just the chief and highest end of regenerate man? Or of all men?

ALL men seek fulfilment of some sort. True fulfilment only comes through Christ.

Or are you saying that unregenerate man doesn't need Christ?

[nobdysfool]

Then why does the Calvinist insist that before a man can be saved, that the man meditate on all his past sins prior to salvation. How is it, based on your reasoning that a man who is unsaved and cannot recognize his sins be able to meditate on them?

What in the world are you talking about? What Calvinist said that?

[lockeliberty]

You say: "God lathers up man and responds for the man, and it is a permanent lathering."

Nope. I never said that. My exact words were: so that man can respond

Your perception is wrong.

[CCWoody]

I presume nothing. I've got plenty of evidence. But that's a mere distraction on your part. ~ CS

Really! You have evidence that I intentionally distorted what you said. Present it or head for that Jesus-on-a-Rope to clean your filthy mouth of all its sin.

What is the chief and highest end of man? ~ CS

Why, you know the answer! But, that doesn't mean that man naturally has a need to glorify God. He certainly needs to do so, but doesn't. But that is far different than claiming that man naturally has a need to glorify God, which I believe it what you said.

The one clearly states man's desperate rebellion. The other is akin to the Pelagian denial of Original Sin. There is no divine spark left in fallen man, whereby he has this need to glorify God.

Perhaps a remedial course in English might clear up your confusion.

BTW, you still haven't answered my question:

If sinful man doesn't even know what he needs, then how is it possible for him to seek what he needs in a sincere and faithful heart without there first being a change in his nature so that he can see what he needs?

Woody.

[xzins]

I am a servant of the eternal flame! You shall not pass!


(or words to that effect)

[P-Marlowe]

My exact words were: so that man can respond Your perception is wrong.

I think you will find that both xzins and I agree that unless God does something to man so that he can respond to the gospel, then he never will respond. The disagreement appears to lie in whether God not only does something for man so that he can respond, but whether he goes so far as to do something so that he cannot not respond. If God goes that far, then it is logical to conclude that God really does respond for the man as man is thus wholly powerless to respond on his own.

So if you believe that, then don't back away from it. If you believe simply that God's grace and the work of the holy spirit provide the ability for man to freely respond to the Gospel, then you have to believe that man is also free, at that point, to reject it. If man is not literally free to either accept it or reject it, then God has made the response on behalf of the man. You can't hide from that conclusion.

So what is it?

[xzins]

100% agreement with PM's post.

[Corin Stormhands]

Really! You have evidence that I intentionally distorted what you said.

Oooo....did we hurts his widdle feewings?

No doubt we'll soon be headed for yet another chapter of "Calvinists in the Hands of an Angry Mod."

I answered you Woody. I explained what I meant. It's not my fault you don't understand.

I Corinthians 2:14

[CCWoody]

Perhaps you are catching ctd's disease. You haven't answered this question:

If sinful man doesn't even know what he needs, then how is it possible for him to seek what he needs in a sincere and faithful heart without there first being a change in his nature so that he can see what he needs?

BTW, if you want to whine to the mods and get that "chapter of 'Calvinists in the Hands of an Angry Mod'" opened then be my guest. It is the modus operandi (sp) of Arminians when they make themselves look like fools with the things they say and want to get the thread shut down.

Woody.

[CCWoody]

This little whine of mine
I'm gonna make it howl.
This little whine of mine
I'm gonna make it howl...
make it howl...
make it howl...