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To: Kevin Curry
Flawed logic start to finish. A Dem in the Whitehouse will easily extract themselves from Iraq. Just turn it over to the UN and leave. It's the wrong thing to do, but it will play to the base.

The economy will be booming, so the deficit will be going down and can be blamed on Bush anyway. No problem there.

The Republicans have never effectively resisted anything in the Senate and with a Dem in the Whitehouse, the mantra will be MANDATE and the Repubs will fold like a dirty shirt. Judicial appointments will sail through.

Do not make the mistake of thinking that the Republicans holding the line against any Clinton initiatives had anything to do with true gridlock. It all had to do with Clinton's inability to keep it in his pants. The odds of the next Dem in the Whitehouse having that problem are low.

There is no conservative candidate who will satisfy the conservative base because the conservative base can't be satisfied.

Two truths have become apparent in United States politics. The Democrat base will support their party no matter what it does and the Republican base will abandon their party no matter what it does.
30 posted on 01/31/2004 3:57:31 PM PST by CMAC51
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To: CMAC51
A Dem in the Whitehouse will easily extract themselves from Iraq.

No they won't. Withdrawal will be far more complicated than you imagine. No move will be without political risk; every move will be scrutinized severely. Winning the Dem base will not translate into wider success among the Amercian voting public. The UN doesn't vote, and doesn't matter.

The economy will be booming, . . .

Only if the tax cuts are made permanent. A tax increase will depress it, shut it down--especially if spending programs are not curtailed.

The Republicans have never effectively resisted anything in the Senate and with a Dem in the Whitehouse

Republicans have never had this level of control with a Dem in the White House. Not in recent history, anyway.

Liberalism has been discredited. It is on its downhill slide. Clinton was sly enough to realize this, which is why he moved to the right. Apart from Lieberman (who has no hope) and perhaps Clark (who has almost no hope), none of the current crop of Dem presidential hopefuls has any ability let alone any inclination to move to the right.

I must modify the last comment. Screamin' Dean is a notorious cheapstake. He is likely to control spending--not because he is admires conservative values, but because he's a cheapskate. But he really has no hope either.

Any Dem who wins this fall will expereince the most feckless and frustrating term in power since Carter.

And Carter's wan, failed administration set the stage for a mighty Reagan victory.

37 posted on 01/31/2004 4:37:41 PM PST by Kevin Curry (Dems' magnificent four: Shrieking Nikita, Frenchie La Lurch , Gen. Jack D. Ripper, and Lionel Putz)
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To: CMAC51
There is no conservative candidate who will satisfy the conservative base because the conservative base can't be satisfied.

Precisely so. These "conservatives" that would prefer a Democratic win in 2004 are similar to the "Catholic" traditionalists who bash the Pope to bits.

50 posted on 01/31/2004 5:01:33 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: CMAC51
Good posts, I agree with all except where you state conservatives cannot be satisfied. Thats wrong, and unless you are a Republican no matter what - you know it. Conservatives vote republican because that is the party that best represents our values. When Republicans deviate from that we become dissatisfied, would you have us compromise our values for the sake of the party?
I believe that most conservatives are very happy with the way GWB has conducted himself on issues that are obvious, but even you as a republican (unless you have never been a Repub. before clinton) cannot say that you are satisfied with alot of his domestic programs.
We cannot tolerate his domestic agenda (you know the issues) because ours is a consistent philosophy of government. We have not veered off course, the Elected Republicans have.
Excuse my run-on, I hardly ever post and never without alot of for-thought to my wording.
I had great hopes for GWB, I am dissapointed - I also realize the great dangers the left wishes to unleash upon America; We are basically demoralized with no true electable Conservative canidate. We are in the position of choosing between two wrongs.
Regards, Paul

58 posted on 01/31/2004 5:19:30 PM PST by arrow107
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To: CMAC51
Some people say that there are Two truths. The Democrat base will support their party no matter what it does and the Republican base will abandon their party no matter what it does.

How about the Democratic Party will never abandon its base. No matter what the Democratic Party will not spend a cent, and not allow a word to be spoken for Pro-life. It will always be Pro-Abortion, always be Pro homosexual agenda, always be Pro Illegal Immigrant. Always.

Now the Gop well you could say the Gop will always be Pro Illegal Immigrant too.

So it is not the Base that abandons the Party. It is the Party that abandons the base.

In this country, at least since 1776,

It is not the responsibility of the people to represent the will of the President. It is the responsibility of the President to represent the will of the people.

The Republican Leadership continues to abandon US. In doing so, THEY abandon the White House.

No Borders No Vote Seven Months
240 posted on 01/31/2004 10:14:46 PM PST by TomasUSMC (from tomasUSMC FIGHT FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: CMAC51
BRAVO.
273 posted on 01/31/2004 10:46:41 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Four hours is too long for a Democrat to sit in the Oval Office, let alone four years. Vote W '04)
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To: CMAC51
..............and the Republican base will abandon their party no matter what it does.

As well it should because if the party ceases to represent them, then they should part. More and more, Republican, does not mean conservative but moderate liberal. Down with the two party system!

630 posted on 02/01/2004 2:01:04 PM PST by varon
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