An opposing view: Descendant of black Confederate soldier speaks at museum

Thomasville Times-Enterprise ^ | 24 Feb 2004 | Mark Lastinger

[#3Fan]

All 160 were liars huh? Amazing coincidence. lol

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The imaginative witness in the Wirz trial testified to the statement of a man who had had his tongue shot off while smoking his pipe.

All 160 witnesses who testified were liars, huh? What are the odds of that? Stand Watie admiited the odds of that were 0. lol

[#3Fan]

All 160 witnesses were liars, huh? lol

[nolu chan]

#3Fan - My post #282 was my first post on the subject and it proves that I said the arms were for the ships men.

BECAUSE????

#282 [#3Fan to Gianni] I saw that the ship's men needed arms because they expected to be attacked by Confederates, but I don't see where arms were to be delivered. The Confederates had attacked ships before any agreement was made between the Buchanan administration and the rebels, so they had a thing about attacking ships.

#341 [#3Fan to nc] It looks as if the arms were for the ship.

422 [#3Fan] Military ships that travel close to land need arms.

#423 [#3Fan] All I can do is repeat that military ships that travel close to shore do indeed have arms.

An attack on the ship was to be defended with armed sailors. The attack was to come from the Charleston shore batteries. The shore batteries would fire their cannons. The #3 fighting Union sailors would stand on the rolling deck of a sailing ship or a rowboat and fire muskets back at the cannons. In the case of the #3Viking warriors, they would throw their axes which were the inspiration for tomahawk missiles.

#3 Viking Warrior

[nolu chan]

The reliable #3Source publishes a summary of CNN news to indoctrinate his students with CNN propaganda.

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[nolu chan]

So, what kind of pervert arrests a 10-year old girl and puts her in a ball-and-chain???

SOURCE: Portals to Hell, Lonnie R. Speer, 1997, pp. 155-58

In a frustrated effort to curb guerrilla activity in western Missouri and eastern Kansas, Brigadier General Thomas Ewing, Jr., commanding the District of the Border, issued the now-infamous General Order No. 11 on August 25, 1863: "First: All persons living in Cass, Jackson, and Bates Counties, Missouri, and in that part of Vernon County, included in this district, are hereby ordered to move from their present places of residence within 15 days from [now]. Those who within that time establish their loyalty to the satisfaction of the command­ing officer... will receive from him certificates stating that facts of their loyalty and the names by whom it can be shown."

In effect, the order demanded that all inhabitants of the Missouri counties that bordered Kansas pack up and get out if they were in anyway related to any member of William C. Quantrill's band or any other Southern-sympathizing band roaming the area, or if they had at any time aided any member in any way, such as providing them shelter, horses, or food.

The intent of the decree was to eventually transfer known relatives and Southern sympathizers in this part of Missouri to the Confederate state of Arkansas in the hope that the guerrillas and bushwhackers would follow.

The order continued: "Second: all grain or hay in the fields or under shelter in the district from which the inhabitants are required to move... will be taken to [local military] stations and turned over to the proper officers there.... All grain and hay found in such district after the ninth day of September next, not moved... will be destroyed."

Ewing's demand was backed by President Lincoln. Under threat of execu­tion, hundreds of families abandoned their property and fled south. After September 9, Ewing's troops rode across the countryside, destroying all that was abandoned and ordered those who lingered to leave. "I have the honor to report," boasted Ewing, "orders of banishment against sixty-four persons, many of them heads of families, living in Kansas City and its vicinity and Independence and its vicinity.... A large number have been placed upon a suspected list and orders will be given the detective force to keep them under close surveillance until additional evidence is obtained."

"Tell them to prepare their clothing and baggage for a journey southward," declared one Union officer. "They shall be sent to the people and region they hurrah for."

Up to this point, Union soldiers had been scouring the countryside and taking women into custody from the farms and towns in Bates, Cass, Jackson, and Lafayette counties, charging them with such crimes as sheltering guerrillas or buying percussion caps or men's clothing with stolen money. The women were taken to Kansas City, Missouri, and confined to rooms in the Union Hotel with military guards stationed outside their doors.

On July 29, nearly a month before the official order was ever issued, the Kansas City Daily Journal reported that guards had arrived in the city on July 28 with seven females "of the bushwhacking persuasion" to be held until they could be sent out of the country. "The squad which brought them in," the article continued, "was fired upon from the bush."

As the hotel rooms set aside for these prisoners became more and more crowded, General Ewing left for St. Louis to confer with military authorities there. When he returned on August 9, permission was granted for General Order No. 11.

Within days, the Order was officially issued. "They were banished and robbed by the same order," exclaimed John McCorkle, who rode in Quantrill s band. "Their horses, mules and cattle had already been stolen and taken to Kansas, along with their buggies, carriages and wagons.... They did not have very much left to move." The mass exodus from the region continued as Union troops swept over the land, burning houses, barns, outbuildings, and crops. The destruction was so complete that years after the war the area con­tinued to be known as the "burnt district."

In Kansas City, however, the Union Hotel had become overcrowded before the order was ever issued. So eleven female prisoners, or "the guerrillas' women," as they were referred to at the time, were moved to a large three-story brick building at 1409 Grand Avenue. These particular prisoners had high-profile names associated with Quantrill's band. Among them were Mary, Josephine, and Jenny Anderson, sisters of Bill Anderson, who would later acquire the nickname "Bloody Bill;" Susan Vandiver and Armenia Gilvey, cousins of Cole Younger; Charity Kerr, sister of John McCorkle; Nannie Harris McCorkle, John's sister-in-law; Mollie Grindstaff, Martha Munday, Susan Munday Womacks, and Lou Munday Gray, whose brothers, husbands, and cousins all rode with Quantrill.

"My [sister and sister-in-law] went to Kansas City in a wagon," declared John McCorkle, "driving a yoke of oxen, with a load of wheat to exchange it for flour, the women having all the buying to do. When they were ready to start home ... [a neighbor] reported to the authorities that these two women were rebels and were buying flour to feed the bushwhackers. They were immediately arrested and placed in jail with some other girls, who had been arrested and sentenced to be banished."

The majority of these women were less than twenty-one years old. The youngest, Jenny Anderson, was ten. Still, even while confined in the building, they were all required to wear an iron ball attached to one leg.

The building was situated along a ravine in what was part of the Metro­politan Block of McGee's Addition, between 14th and 15th streets, in the heart of the middle-class neighborhood where most of the city's German popula­tion lived. The building had been built by E. M. "Milton" McGee, a wealthy influential political leader in the city, but it was owned by Mrs. George C. Bingham.

When originally built in 1857, the building appeared strong and stable, but its foundation was poorly constructed. By the time the Civil War broke out, its floors had begun to sag and had to be reinforced with wooden supports. Very little maintenance or upkeep had been done since.

The first story of the building contained a grocer and liquor shop. The third story was vacant. The "guerrillas' women" were confined in somewhat dilapidated, unkempt, rooms on the second floor. The women were guarded by sentries assigned from Ewing's Kansas troops.

Sometime between August 10 and 13, Joshua Thorne, the Kansas City post surgeon, supposedly inspected the prison and advised General Ewing that the structure was unsafe and the women should be moved as soon as possible. Nothing was done.

On the afternoon of August 13, some of the women incarcerated on the second floor became alarmed when the building began to creak and groan. When the south portion of the structure seemed to settle, plaster cracked and fell from the ceiling and walls in several places. The women became more alarmed when they heard people on the floor below frantically running around in the store and saw the grocer moving his stock out into the street.

As a guard accompanied Nannie Harris McCorkle and Mary Anderson out into the hall to get a pail of water, he noticed the building sway. Immediately, as the women in another room began screaming about the roof, the guard grabbed both women and raced down the stairway. At the same time, ten-year-old Jenny Anderson, in another room, tried to climb out a nearby window, but found it impossible with a 12-pound ball chained to her ankle. Suddenly, the building collapsed.

Scared off at first by the sudden rumble, passersby began to return and gather around the site. There they saw crushed and mangled bodies in the rubble. Groans and screams of pain were heard. Someone in the ruins cried out for help in moving the bricks off her head. After a while, her cries became faint and stopped.

As the initial shock of the catastrophe faded, members of the gathering crowd began trying to help. They jerked on, pulled at, and finally moved the heavy debris from the immense pile of rubble, locating the victims one by one.

Susan Vandiver, Armenia Gilvey, Charity Kerr, and thirteen-year-old Josephine Anderson were found dead. Martha Munday was hurt badly and later died. Sixteen-year-old Mary Anderson was severely injured and would remain crippled for the rest of her life. Nan Harris McCorkle was injured but not seriously, as was the guard who carried her and Mary down the stairs as the build­ing came tumbling down. Jenny Anderson was pulled out of the rubble with two broken legs, the ball and chain still attached to one. Susan Munday Womacks, Lou Munday Gray, and Mollie Grindstaffwere also hurt, but would survive.

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SOURCE: Portals to Hell, Lonnie R. Speer, 1997, pp. 144, 146, 194

FORT DELAWARE

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By the summer of 1864, the distribution of rations took place on "Hell's Half Acre" and consisted of two hardtacks and a square inch of pickled meat set out on the ground, with the addition of weak bean soup for die day's second meal.

By fall, catching and eating the rats that infested the island became common practice. Still, with the lack of vegetables in their diet, prisoners continued to suffer. Between November 1863 and February 1864 alone, at least one of every eight Confederate prisoners had scurvy. The rate continued unabated as the year progressed. By this time over $ 17,000 had accumulated in the Fort Delaware prison fund, but authorities refused to use any of it to purchase vegetables.

Even the general public wasn't allowed to help. On July 28, the local community held a benefit picnic six miles from Fort Delaware in McCrone's Woods near New Castle, with the intent to raise money to buy vegetables and other antiscorbutics for the scurvy-ridden prisoners. Before the benefit ended, however, the districts provost marshal showed up with sixty men of the 114th Ohio Regiment, broke up the affair, and arrested some of "the highest of social standing" in the community. They were later taken to Fort McHenry, where they were imprisoned for nearly a month for their efforts.

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Albin Francisco Schoepf took over command and served in this capacity until the end of the war. Schoepf allowed his subordinates unrestrained control inside the compound, and it eventually evolved into the most brutal POW institution in America.

Between the mess hall and the kitchen was a sally port, about twelve feet wide, through which the wind from the bay blew constandy. There, prisoners were tortured at the malicious whim of the prison authorities. They were bucked and gagged and hung by the thumbs for the slightest infractions. "This was a daily occurrence," insisted prisoner George Moffett, "and I have seen six or eight 'thumb hangers' suspended at a time ... a guard stood by to shoot anyone who interfered."

Many contemporary and official accounts agree that this form of torture was used on an almost daily basis at Fort Delaware. Prisoners were hung by the thumbs, with their toes barely touching the ground, slowly swinging in the sea breeze anywhere from a few hours to a few days. As prisoner John P. Hickman wrote, "In many instances they were left there until their thumbs burst." According to Moffett, there were numerous instances of dislocated shoulders and joints and thumbs were often cut to the bone by the tight cords. "In some cases," he said, "mortification would set in and the thumbs would have to be amputated."

"Another method of punishment," reported prisoner Calvin Dearing, "was to require the victim to stand on the top edges of a barrel with the head knocked out and to hold a log so heavy that it took two men to hand it up to him. He was made to hold it for three hours. If he dropped it, he was shot."

In addition to inhumane treatment, forced labor-also officially prohibited for prisoners of war-was commonly practiced at Fort Delaware. According to official records, "men were compelled to labor in unloading Federal vessels and in putting up buildings for Federal officers, and if they refused were driven to the work with clubs."

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"The buildings," reported Shotwell, "were mere shells, constructed of long planks (of rough pineboard) standing on end." They offered little protection. After enduring the summer's stifling heat, flies, mosquitoes, bedbugs, lice, and rats, prisoners suffered from the cold of winter in these barracks as well. The icy wind came through the walls almost unobstructed, and snow often blew in between the cracks to pile onto the bunks and floors. Finding prisoners frozen to death in their bunks became a common occurrence.

The "one blanket to each man rule" was strictly enforced at Fort Delaware. "No matter how many blankets a man may have brought with him or purchased from the sutler with his own money," wrote Shotwell, "he is stripped of all but one single one!" In addition, a rule at this prison allowed only one blanket or one overcoat-but not both.

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[#3Fan]

Post #282 was my first post on the subject and it shows that I said "ship's men".

[#3Fan]

You're a liar. He didn't get the testimony from CNN.

[#3Fan]

And the South had Forrest, who had a thing about torturing and murdering POWs. There were criminals on both sides, a fact you're not willing to admit because you are dishonest.

[nolu chan]

#3Fan - My post #282 was my first post on the subject and it proves that I said the arms were for the ships men.

BECAUSE????

#282 [#3Fan to Gianni] I saw that the ship's men needed arms because they expected to be attacked by Confederates, but I don't see where arms were to be delivered. The Confederates had attacked ships before any agreement was made between the Buchanan administration and the rebels, so they had a thing about attacking ships.

#341 [#3Fan to nc] It looks as if the arms were for the ship.

422 [#3Fan] Military ships that travel close to land need arms.

#423 [#3Fan] All I can do is repeat that military ships that travel close to shore do indeed have arms.

An attack on the ship was to be defended with armed sailors. The attack was to come from the Charleston shore batteries. The shore batteries would fire their cannons. The #3 fighting Union sailors would stand on the rolling deck of a sailing ship or a rowboat and fire muskets back at the cannons. In the case of the #3Viking warriors, they would throw their axes which were the inspiration for tomahawk missiles.

#3 Viking Warrior

[#3Fan]

Unlike you I haven't denied there were criminals on both sides. You guys aren't honest enough to tell the whole story. You're no better than the liberal media.

[#3Fan]

My post #282 was my first on the subject and shows I said "ship's men".

[nolu chan]

The reliable #3Source publishes a summary of CNN news to indoctrinate his students with CNN propaganda.

http://fmshistory04.netfirms.com/Resources/Resources.htm

CNN, the gospel of #3 and his sources.

[nolu chan]

#3Fan - My post #282 was my first post on the subject and it proves that I said the arms were for the ships men.

BECAUSE????

#282 [#3Fan to Gianni] I saw that the ship's men needed arms because they expected to be attacked by Confederates, but I don't see where arms were to be delivered. The Confederates had attacked ships before any agreement was made between the Buchanan administration and the rebels, so they had a thing about attacking ships.

#341 [#3Fan to nc] It looks as if the arms were for the ship.

422 [#3Fan] Military ships that travel close to land need arms.

#423 [#3Fan] All I can do is repeat that military ships that travel close to shore do indeed have arms.

An attack on the ship was to be defended with armed sailors. The attack was to come from the Charleston shore batteries. The shore batteries would fire their cannons. The #3 fighting Union sailors would stand on the rolling deck of a sailing ship or a rowboat and fire muskets back at the cannons. In the case of the #3Viking warriors, they would throw their axes which were the inspiration for tomahawk missiles.

#3 Viking Warrior

[#3Fan]

You're a liar. He didn't get his testimony from CNN.

[#3Fan]

My post #282 was my first on the subject and shows I said "ship's men".

[nolu chan]

#3Fan - My post #282 was my first post on the subject and it proves that I said the arms were for the ships men.

BECAUSE????

#282 [#3Fan to Gianni] I saw that the ship's men needed arms because they expected to be attacked by Confederates, but I don't see where arms were to be delivered. The Confederates had attacked ships before any agreement was made between the Buchanan administration and the rebels, so they had a thing about attacking ships.

#341 [#3Fan to nc] It looks as if the arms were for the ship.

422 [#3Fan] Military ships that travel close to land need arms.

#423 [#3Fan] All I can do is repeat that military ships that travel close to shore do indeed have arms.

An attack on the ship was to be defended with armed sailors. The attack was to come from the Charleston shore batteries. The shore batteries would fire their cannons. The #3 fighting Union sailors would stand on the rolling deck of a sailing ship or a rowboat and fire muskets back at the cannons. In the case of the #3Viking warriors, they would throw their axes which were the inspiration for tomahawk missiles.

#3 Viking Warrior

[#3Fan]

My post #282 was my first on the subject and shows I said "ship's men".

[nolu chan]

The reliable #3Source publishes a summary of CNN news to indoctrinate his students with CNN propaganda.

http://fmshistory04.netfirms.com/Resources/Resources.htm

CNN, the gospel of #3 and his sources.