[Steel and Fire and Stone]

I have noticed a tendency among some Christians to act like they believe that the Islamics are right and Western civilization is indeed the slimey crud-hole OBL and his ilk say it is. It is disturbing at the very least.

Interesting observation.

I've noticed the tendency among some in the secular left (and secular right as well, for that matter) to demagogue the folks who promote the values of traditional Western Civilization, i.e. Judeo-Christian values by attempting to associate them with today's favorite (Western) villain, OBL or other Muslim fanatics.

To associate those who have for 250 years built the first colleges, first orphanages, first poor houses (private forerunner to today's government corrupted welfare system), first hospitals, have given their all for "God and Country" and generally, have put the love in their words of into the action of common charity, with those who kill innocents, preach hate, destroy, murder, enslave, and commit all manner of other evil deeds in the name of a demonstrably, historically fake deity called "Allah", is more than outrageous.

It is evil, in and of itself. It's disturbing.

”Ends justifies the means” .. relative morality … relative truth … guilt by association, it’s all just another word for “EVIL”.

SFS

[steve-b]

The true Christians who did all those positive things are, obviously, not the "some 'Christians'" to whom the author was referring.

The latter are more accurately represented by other bits of history, such as the Salem witch trials.

[SoIA-79]

I believe Western Civilization is by far the best civ on the planet, nothing else even comes close. Our Judeo-Christian values are a large part of the reason for that. There are obvious blemish's on our record but I believe that they can be fixed. Things look junky right now because we are still trying to assimilate massive technological advances into our culture.

I have no problem with Judeo-Christian values or Christians in general, the problem I have is with people who would enforce 'the republic of virtue' on others. Enforced morality has never worked, voluntary morality in the long run works. I just can't see the radical Islamics as a force for good that western Christians should align themselves with. I think in the long run it harms the religion more than it helps. Anyway just my $.02

[steve-b]

I've noticed the tendency among some in the secular left (and secular right as well, for that matter) to demagogue the folks who promote the values of traditional Western Civilization, i.e. Judeo-Christian values by attempting to associate them with today's favorite (Western) villain, OBL or other Muslim fanatics

Er, wrong target. It was Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, not a secular leftist or rightist, who expressed agreement with the Wahabiwackjobs in the wake of the 9-11 Massacre. Take it up with them.