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To: Non-Sequitur
[TexasConfederate1861] His sources are irefutable.

[You, changing the subject] But his conclusions are crazy.

Please show by argument that DiLorenzo's conclusions are "crazy". Begin by defining "crazy" and showing how you propose to apply the word to historiography.

If you meant it.

29 posted on 08/21/2004 4:29:53 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Please show by argument that DiLorenzo's conclusions are "crazy".

First, the Taney warrant. There is no evidence supporting this contention except for 2 or 3 second person accounts. There is no physical evidence, no documentation, no escaping the fact that Taney never spent a day in jail but remained on the bench until he died. The physical evidence supporting the claim is non-existent.

Aha, says Tommy. We have circumstantial evidence. We have Ward Lamon. We are to believe that Ward Lamon, by his account, was given the order to arrest Taney by Lincoln personally and just didn't do it. But I'm not aware of any other instance where Lincoln gave Lamon an order and Lamon just decided not to carry it out. Lamon was Lincoln's most loyal minion, and held no love for Taney so why on this occasion would Lamon ignore Lincoln's orders? Evidence like this would hardly stand up in court.

But, cries DiLusional, there is more. We are to believe that Taney told others that he was to be arrested. But we don't know what he based that on. The account comes not from Taney himself but from a second party some time after the threat of arrest had passed. And again Taney was never harmed, threatened, jailed, or in any way disturbed. He remained on the bench ruling on cases for another two years.

Wait, wait, yells Tommy, the icing on the cake is yet to come. Judge Merrick! Don't forget Judge Merrick! And here DiLusional goes off on a tangent. Nowhere in his account does Judge Merrick mention being jailed. Nowhere is an arrest warrant mentioned. Nowhere does DiLusional say that Judge Merrick remained on the bench until the Circuit Court of the District of Columbia was replaced in 1863 by the Supreme Court of D.C. And most of all nowhere does Tommy offer any support that this was done at the order of Abraham Lincoln. The title of this POS is "Lincoln’s 'Great Crime': The Arrest Warrant for the Chief Justice." If Lincolnd didn't personally order the arrest of Judge Merrick then how does his account support Tommy's insane claim that Linoln ordered the arrest of Chief Justice Taney? If Lincoln did issue the warrant then where is it?

So suck up Tommy's crap, I could not give a damn less. I honestly can't tell if the "Great Crime" was supposed to be the alleged warrant on Kerry or the suspension of habeas corpus, and I don't think Tommy is sure himself. Disagree with me all you want, and have Nolu Chan post 60,000 words in reply along the same lines as the dump he's already posted. Nothing he presented supports the claim that Lincoln issued a warrant for Taney. It's back to Lamon's account and Taney's ramblings, and the fact that nothing ever happened to Taney at all.

30 posted on 08/21/2004 5:10:00 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
I honestly can't tell if the "Great Crime" was supposed to be the alleged warrant on Kerry...

Oops. That should be "alleged warrant on Taney." That'll teach me to type posts and watch Fox n' Friends at the same time.

31 posted on 08/21/2004 5:11:40 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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