Posted on 09/13/2004 12:13:40 PM PDT by 1smallVoice
I have heard Alan Keyes called a carpetbagger because he is from Maryland. But I have not heard Obama called a carpet bagger and this confuses me. Obama was not born in Illinois, he was born in Hawaii. I bet Alan Keyes was born closer to Illinois.
Obama's mother was a white woman from Kansas, his father was African, Keyes' roots lie in slaves brought here from Africa, sold into slavery by Obama's ancestors, yet Obama better represents Illinois blacks.
Obama was raised a Muslim like his father and his step father who moved him it Indonesia where he was raised as a Muslim. Keyes is a Catholic. Obama claims to be Christian, a member of the United Church of Christ, check it out, they are not Baptists.
Obama went to school on the East Coast and returned to Illinois to begin his political career in Chicago in the 1990's. He is a teacher. He worked to get Bill Clinton elected. They say Illinois is a liberal state and Kerry will win here.
I do not know but from where I sit Obama is the carpetbagger, not Alan Keyes.
While I'm sure that some if this can be attributed to blatant bias, I would be willing to be that it is also due to Keyes' comments about Hillary Clinton carpetbagging. He most definitely comes out looking like a hypocrite.
United Church of Christ is primarily congregationalist and is Christian.
Keyes moved to IL specifically for this election.
That's a big difference and it can't be spun away.
UCC has strayed far from orthodox Christianity. They support the whole homosexual agenda, for example. While there are some pastors who are Christian, I would be most are fairly apostate and some are indistinguishable from Unitarians.
I think there should be nexus search on Osama, I mean Obama to see whether he TRULY did renounce Islam for Christianity. If he renounced Islam, why has he retained his Islamic name? Me thinks there's something rotten in Denmark here.
Most of the clergy of the UCC do NOT believe in the Diety of Jesus Christ so how can they even call themselves as being a "christian" denomination is beyond me.
I grew up with the Congregational Church, so believe I am entitled to a comment or two. The Congregationalists mostly disappeared into the maw of the UCC half a century ago. UCC members have, at best, a shaky relationship with Christian beliefs. (Some of the older members of the congregation may in fact remember bits of Christian liturgy or words to a hymn.) It would not surprise me if these days, they welcomed a Muslim into their Fellowship and sewed bomb vests for the Palestinians. But one thing they do extremely well -- they can sing "Kumbaya" as if they were auditioning for MTV.
Please dim those headlights!!
So how is Keyes 'the native' doing in Illinois? Is he gonna win this thing? What are the polls showing? ...... blowout?..... about even?...... too close to call?.....
It is a difference. And Keyes may be hypocritical on the point. So what? Which is the better man for the office? Both are legally eligible. I don't vote in Illinois, but that is the question I would ask, which is the better person for the office?
Exactly.
So the cause is not helped by specious attempts to make Obama out to be more of a carpetbagger than Keyes - that's just self-defeating.
The cause is helped by exposing Obama as the anti-family, pro-black-autogenocide, economy-killing bureaucrat that he is.
That is an incredibly pathetic argument. You think the "carpetbagger" pejorative should be based on where a person was born? So then I guess you consider that George Bush (born in Connecticut) was a carpetbagging governor of Texas?
Alan Keyes told Fox News back in 2000 "I deeply resent the destruction of federalism represented by Hillary Clinton's willingness to go into a state she doesn't even live in and pretend to represent people there, so I certainly wouldn't imitate it."
I personally don't have a big problem with "carpetbagging". It's up to the people of a particular state to decide whether they want to elect a newcomer, and whether that newcomer's candidacy represents undesirable personal opportunism or not.
But the fact remains that Keyes is just as much a carpetbagger as Hillary was. Keyes attacked Hillary for coming into a state she didn't even live in and suddenly running for Senate, and now Keyes is doing exactly the same thing in Illinois. Keys found it politically expedient to try to hang the "carpetbagger" label on Hillary, and said he would not imitate such an action. Now Keyes is busy spinning and rationalizing about his double standard, and trying to explain why his previous stance against carpetbagging is inoperable with respect to his own present actions.
Keyes is a hypocrite and a carpetbagger. And the hypocrite part is by far the worst.
This election is already lost if we must discuss things like how a democrat can help Illinois under a Republican-controlled WH, House and Senate.
No, we must generate emotional issues. Like how a non-Christian, non-black, Chicago liberal who has not had a real job does not represent most of those from Illinois.
This dog don't hunt. Next you'll be saying that Jeb is REALLY from Florida and George is Really from Texas, and that neither one of them ever visited New Haven, Connecticut. (Okay Jeb WAS born in Midland – but not Florida). Kennebunkport, Maine would be merely a geography question to them. Phillips Academy prep school at Andover? Yale? Never been there.
Ok Einstein,
Answer this question:
Who is more of a carpetbagger, a Muslim 'son of African slave owners' raised in Indonesia and Hawaii and educated on the East Coast or a Catholic 'son of slaves' raised in Maryland?
Obama has spent about 12 years teaching law in Chicago, that does not mean he can represent an Illinois farmer in a Republican Senate.
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