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To: Reuben Hick
Hey Reuben, would you mind attributing where you got this from, instead of plagiarizing it? Not disclosing your references is so annoying.

Oh and by the way, your arguments contradict each other. 5 doesn't make sense in the light of 2 or 3, right?

If 5 were true, how can snowflakes be formed in a cloud? Order from disorder, right? And 4? Just a bad argument. Whoever thought it up has no concept of gravity, or just how long billions of years is. That's not surprising, since whoever thought these arguments up has no problem limiting God to a little book written by men thousands of years ago.

121 posted on 12/03/2004 6:53:52 PM PST by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: ThinkPlease
Hey Reuben, would you mind attributing where you got this from, instead of plagiarizing it?

Hey ThinkPlease, are you still beating your domestic partner?

So, ThinkPlease, could you think, please?   We know that you can try to avoid defending your faith by attacking others, but ad hominems aren't recognized as great alternatives.
Let's look at your well thought out response to the five matters brought to bear:

Oh and by the way, your arguments contradict each other. 5 doesn't make sense in the light of 2 or 3, right?

It is true that 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is not violated.  It is true that according to the that law the universe should be uniform and have a homogeneous and isotropic background radiation.  But examination of the cosmos has revealed that we have a "lumpy Big Bang".   As a brilliant scientist, no doubt, you are probably quick to throw away Newtonian physics because maintenance of an unprovable theory is tantamount to the ends of erasing God.   Under the Creation model, everything works.   Instead of having all matter appear ex nihilo in one central place in the universe and having it explode in such a way where chaos turns magically into order, we believe, as Scripture plainly states, that the stars and planets were put into place for a purpose and that is to determine signs and seasons.   Under intelligent design, it should be expected that the universe is not uniform.  Because we are told that the stars were put into their place we should expect a "lumpy universe" in accordance to accomplishing the goals of providing signs and seasons.

In short, we don't have a contradiction.  You do, by the mere fact you have anisotropic universe and a theory that requires scientists to abandon well understood physical laws.  We have a beautiful universe, masterfully and wonderfully made, you have an ugly accident that defies explanation.  Why is this important?  Because as Creationists, we believe that there is a purpose to the order in which we see.   Because we believe that there is purpose, we can rely on those things which we discover to be true.   As God haters, you can't even trust natural laws anymore.  You look at the 2nd Law and see it as an impediment to your faith.   You can't even trust your own findings to be true.

But I do thank you for the belly laugh this morning for this particular comment:

If 5 were true, how can snowflakes be formed in a cloud?

My natural response was to assume that you were being sarcastic and thus put something this stupid out there as a joke, but on later consideration I figured it would be best to assume that you were serious.  If you did submit this as a joke, I apologize in advance.

My initial reaction was what does a snowflake have in common with the Big Bang?

I can continue, but you may project again and assume that I have plagiarized...

 

 

138 posted on 12/04/2004 8:37:11 AM PST by Reuben Hick
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