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that is so incredibly pathetic... just because certain members of the Socialist German workers party were religious, does in no way imply that their leader was. [snip] Yes, not only was the Third Reich entirely secular, they burned down churches, massacred Christians, and some (including Der fuhrer himself) actually became pagans during the war. Okay, sure, maybe being pagan doesn't meet your definition of "secular" but I am allowed to define my own terms. so here I define secular for myself so that you can understand it.

[quote] that is so incredibly ~~pathetic~~ stupid ...[unquote]

Secular- 1.)having nothing to do with the God of Abraham. 2.) being violently opposed to the God of Abraham.

Pick another god then. Say, how about Thor, or Zeus, or Shiva, or The Trickster Coyote, or The Great Green Arkleseizure or ...

The Third Reich meets that definition. And you don't even try to refute the point that killing is not a sin.

Define "Third Reich" then.

And define "sin" for me.

Oh, let's go for the trifecta: define "killing".

I label you: "A terrible excuse for a debater."

I label you: Buffoon. Gee, isn't this fun?

I find it interesting that so much of your arguments are semantic. Ok sure... the word "secular" was a poor choice of a word. However, I redefined the term secular for the sake of debate, and you refuse to operate within those parameters, no you'd much rather use a semantic argument that focuses on a poor choice of a word.

" Pick another god then. Say, how about Thor, or Zeus, or Shiva, or The Trickster Coyote, or The Great Green Arkleseizure or ..."

Yet another example of how semantic this is. I redefine the term to replace the mischosen word, and you come up with a string of sentences that is entirely non-sequiter

" Define "Third Reich" then."

Third Reich- The Regime of Germany during the years leading up to World War II and ending at the end of World War II.

Like I said it meets *my* given definition of "secular" because it was actually violently opposed to Christianity, and Judaism in particular.

" And define "sin" for me."

Sin- something that is wrong. (in this case it is something that is wrong as per God's commandment, i.e. the slaughter of millions of God-fearing people who are innocent of any crime).

" Oh, let's go for the trifecta: define "killing"."

Killing- The ending of a life by another living thing.

And because I know how semantic your arguments are, I will also define murder.

Murder- The intentional taking of a human life, that is not involved with killing an enemy in military service, or when fulfilling one's duty's as an executioner.

Let me continue, I said your argument was pathetic, and it is. It is a fallacy called post hoc ergo proctor hoc. literally "This therefore because of this."

The point that your fun little medallion had the phrase in German: "Gott mit uns" or "God with us," does not mean that the entire Reich was affiliated with Christianity, Judaism, or Islam. Quite the contrary, it is quite well documented that the Nazis would terrorize those affiliated with religion just because they did not adhere to Der Fuhrer's absolute rule.

So tell me, are you ready to refute what I've said with logical analysis, or are you going to go with asking me to define things for you, and use semantic arguments forever?