"God Haters" translation: People who prefer examining the physical evidence to see if they can understand the universe . People who framed the physical laws that allow engineers to build computers, the internet, jet travel, mobile phones, modern medicines, diagnostic tools but bizarrely these physical laws are wrong in almost every way according to a bronze-age book.
We can add to "God haters", "liars" and "fools". Why? Because there is a list (an abbreviated one posted in this thread before) of Creationist scientists who are considered the Founders of science. Ever heard of Issac Newton?
B: I've seen this list. Its the stupidest argument going. Was Newton aware of the evidence we have for Big and Biological Evolution?
" NO "
Hence, what does it matter? Newton among other things, was also an alchemist. Using your logic, modern chemistry must also be wrong.
Creationists are so silly.
Also, I am still wondering how Big Bangers/Evolutionists or, a better description, "God Haters", have applied their evolutionary world view to create the internet, jet travel or mobile phones.
B: THese are the products of science. Actually the "evolution" of the internet is an interesting subject in and of itself. It is self ordering.
What is so special about a faith system that imagines matter from nothing,
B: Nothing really,. Its not a faith system and that happens all the time. Google "Casimir effect", "Lamb shift" and "Particle pair Production"
life from non-life,
B: Funny, thats what the Bible says. Are you saying the Bible is wrong?
order from chaos,
B: Happens all the time. Illya Prigogine got the Noble prize in chemisty for explaining why. Why are creationists decades if not centuries behind the times?
and spends countless dollars looking for little green men in space (SETI)
B: SETI is privately funded. So how much money is spent is not your concern.
that without these things we wouldn't have a cell phone to annoy our fellow motorists with?
B: ?
Actually, SETI is interesting in that it is contradictory to itself. It is based on the idea that the cosmos is filled with nothing but random noise such when your employer's computer finds patterns or a sequence that is not random then it is given that the order was made by an intelligent being.
B: Unfortunately, you ahve a great many misconceptions. SETI looks for signals that have charateristics that are associated with "known designers"... that is Us!
To illustrate how one can be fooled, it was thought that alien signals were received in the 50's. For a few weeks anyways. Then somebody realized what they were listening to was the first discovered pulsar.
The irony is that, according to these God haters, all of the order around you absolutely could not come from an intelligent being.
B: We don't see any order that requires an intelligent being other than that manufactured by humans.
I know that you Christophobes consider hate speech against Christians the final frontier in bigotry and hatred, but it doesn't serve your purposes well since it shows that you have a clear bias and prejudice that ultimately blinds you to the truth - particularly when you make stupid statements like you did above.
B: Now the creationist plays the "victum" card. The statements were well founded.
The rest of your post proves the fact that you are a religious zealot yourself, taking as a statement of faith that you prefer the ridiculous and the contradictory (ie. water goes up hill, little green men from Mars) than examining the evidence honestly and open mindedly.
B: Water can go uphill, if it has enough momentum. At any rate thats a foolish way of making the second law argument.
For instance, you say that the "Uncaused cause was debunked hundreds of years ago" and then make this gratuitous and unsubstantiated statement seem like truth to you by adding an insult to the end (apparently this passes as "science" nowadays).I can understand your inferiority complex allowing you to talk about things you have absolutely no knowledge of
B: Actually, you're projecting. You obviously know squat.
So Issac Newton is stupid and ignorant according to you. How brazenly arrogant. Let me guess, until you came on the scene, everyone was a drooling imbecile. Remember, you are the one who claims to be a descendant of an ape.
I must also comment on your confusion between "evidence" and "proof". Evidence is the basis on which theories are constucted. You and I have the exact same evidence, yet we each come up with different theories. I see the Grand Canyon and see a gigantic dam burst, you look at the Grand Canyon and see billions of years of water running thousands of feet uphill. I see aquatic fossils on mountain peaks and say "Noah's Flood", you look at the exact same evidence and come up with laughable theories of how mountains rose up from no where, for no know reason, and did this magically without disturbing the fossil record on top. Yet despite the fact that your interpretation of the evidence leads you to make outrageous unsuportable claims, you have the gaul to say "Creationists are so silly" because for thousands of years we stick with the exact same theory that is consistant with the evidence rather than invent new ones only to be replaced by new ones when a different person interprets the same evidence differently (again).
Also, it seems that you are sticking to the debate tactics of fellow evolutionist Joseph Goebbels in repeating a big lie often enough by somehow suggesting that only evolutionary thinking allows a person to invent the internet.
Just because you are a Christophobe isn't proof that evolution is science. Evolution is just the ramblings of God haters looking for any reason to call an ape "Daddy" .
Newton among other things, was also an alchemist.
Alchemy has a rich history starting in ancient Egypt and later simultaneously flourishing in China and the Greek world. There were two directions that alchemy went in the 4th Century BC, one went the way of empirical sciences, and the other went the way of magic, astrology and fraud (of the latter path none of these things are part of monotheistic religion).
I guess while you are trying to insult Newton, you might as well insult the Catholic scientist Antoine Lavoisier and Albertus Magnus who was sainted by the Catholic Church for his mastery in chemistry. We have a variety of other monks and Catholic scientist/philosophers who have contributed greatly to the science of chemistry under the table heading of "Alchemy".
In the 16th century there once again became a remarkable division in the field of "alchemy" whereas one group followed after Philippus Paraclesus - devoting themselves to scientific discovery of new compounds and reactions, the other who went the route of imposture, necromancy and fraud - I am assuming that you only know of the latter, and from that you base your ignorant insult at a great scientist and Creationist.
I must admit, you God-hating evolutionists (redundant?) sure have a knack for trying to validate your bogus religion through serial fraud, lies and insults - all the while ironically attaching yourselves to the discipline you hate - "science"... (sigh)