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To: Thatcherite
Every human being filters through his bias. The problem with evolutionists and a related species...(possibly from alleles) liberal journalists. They alone in all humanity figure they are pristine, holy, pure, sole possessors of objective truth. All other ideas must be measured from THEIR objective standards.

Yet they somehow fail to recognize that scientists hold to their theories even in error, until overwhelmed with contrary evidence. Do you know what was the prevailing theory before plate tectonics? Do you know what scientists did to the first that were pointing to continental drift?

That germ theory was welcomed with open arms. Not to mention quantum theory. Or dozens of scientific theories that were debunked, sometimes men destroyed, emotionally, financially, for going contrary to you pristine, holy defenders of truth.

How about Einstein? (not sure but probably smarter than you by about 40 I.Q points). Who fudged his relativity equations to get rid of the pesky evidence that the universe was expanding.

Cause all the "best scientists" knew that the universe was in a steady state. But he sees the redshift through Hubble's telescope himself, and unlike dishonest evolutionists, Einstein had the integrity to admit, "this was my greatest mistake" to wit, not believing what his equations told him right to his face.

I have enough confidence in God, truth, and objective science that they are in harmony. It will be Christian scientists, and at least non evolutionary scientists that will, and are debunking the evolutionary dead end.
738 posted on 12/20/2004 11:13:55 AM PST by Jehu
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To: Jehu

Thank you for the compliment about my IQ anyway, to be within 40 points of Einstein is rare praise indeed....


741 posted on 12/20/2004 11:19:41 AM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Jehu

Every human being filters through his bias.

B: Except that science over time removes bias because theories have to make predictions regarding nature which are either confimed or denied.

The problem with evolutionists and a related species...(possibly from alleles) liberal journalists.

B: Ever notice how the religious nutters blame everybody for their problems except themselves.

They alone in all humanity figure they are pristine, holy, pure, sole possessors of objective truth. All other ideas must be measured from THEIR objective standards.


B: In science, nature is the objective standard. If you ahve a problem with that, find another universe.


Yet they somehow fail to recognize that scientists hold to their theories even in error, until overwhelmed with contrary evidence.

B: Sometimes thats true. But here you offer good evidence for science in action. Eventually theories not borne out by the data are discarded. Religious beliefs usually require wars for that to happen, if ever.



Do you know what was the prevailing theory before plate tectonics?

B: Uniformitarianism. Although PT is in itself consistent with uniformitarianism.


Do you know what scientists did to the first that were pointing to continental drift?

B: Wegner made a lot of mistakes. His claim that the continents moved due to the Eotvos effect is as patently absurd today as it was 80 years a go. Wegner also made a lot of key observations. Wegenr also had prominent allies, like Sir Arthur Holmes and James Dutoit. Holmes was the greatest geologist of the 20th century. But indeed, continental drift was hotly debated. I should point out that Plate Tectonics draws from Holme's ideas, such as subduction and mantle convection, not Wegner's.


That germ theory was welcomed with open arms. Not to mention quantum theory.

B: The British termed it " German Physics". Of course then they realized it gave the right answres in experiments.


Or dozens of scientific theories that were debunked, sometimes men destroyed, emotionally, financially, for going contrary to you pristine, holy defenders of truth.

B: Science isn't for that faint of heart or cowards. Perhaps its not for everyone.

How about Einstein? (not sure but probably smarter than you by about 40 I.Q points). Who fudged his relativity equations to get rid of the pesky evidence that the universe was expanding.

B: When Einstein formulated General Relativity, there was no evidence that the universe was anything but static. But his equations predicted the Universe could not be static. Hence he added in the cosmologocial constant. When Hubble later found that the universe was indeed not static, Einstein called his cosmological constant the greatest blunder of his life. As it turns out, the cosmological constatn has made a come back, but for different reasons.


Cause all the "best scientists" knew that the universe was in a steady state. But he sees the redshift through Hubble's telescope himself, and unlike dishonest evolutionists, Einstein had the integrity to admit, "this was my greatest mistake" to wit, not believing what his equations told him right to his face.

B: Thats right. Except that evolutionists have made any blunders of that magnitude.


I have enough confidence in God, truth, and objective science that they are in harmony. It will be Christian scientists, and at least non evolutionary scientists that will, and are debunking the evolutionary dead end.

B: The first geologists and evolutionists were all Christian scientists.

B: perhaps you should write a book; "Idiots guide to the history of science"


762 posted on 12/20/2004 2:32:10 PM PST by bigdakine
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