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To: shubi

You should read the fine scientific analysis by ICR, it is some of the best stuff on the net that explains the errors of evolution.

The ICR is filled with accredited scientists that are brilliant and have proven themselves in industry and the sciences, achieved doctorates in their fields and published many papers and patents.

And, they happen to be right.


63 posted on 02/02/2005 8:00:45 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: RaceBannon
The IRC stuff has been debunked and rufted on countless other threads. Yet you've posted the same garbage over, and over, and over again. Besides, this thread is more about the philosophical compatibility of evolution and religion rather than about the scientific evidence for it.

A discussion is much more interesting if you stick to the topic and make arugments in your own words, rather than cutting and pasting massive amounts of someone else's writing that is so long, no one can respond to it.

At the very least, provide a link instead of just dumping text.

67 posted on 02/02/2005 8:04:21 PM PST by curiosity
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To: RaceBannon

What few real scientists there are at ICR are not biologists and have no clue what evolution is about.

Some of the credentials of ICR "scientists":

Richard Bliss, formerly a member of the ICR staff, claimed to be "a recognized expert in the field of science education" and was co-author of a "two-model" book that creationists have pushed for use in the public school system.
Bliss claimed to earn a D.Ed. from the University of Sarasota in 1978. A previous version of this article described the university as a "diploma mill operating out of a Florida motel" as late as 1984. However, the university's status has since improved. The University of Sarasota was accredited in 1990 by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools to grant masters and doctoral degrees. According to the 1997 edition of Bears' Guide to Earning College Degrees Nontraditionally [1], a student's total residency at the University of Sarasota can be as short as six weeks.


Clifford Burdick, a researcher for the Creation Research Society and a member of the Creation-Science Research Center, is a "flood" geologist who has spent forty years trying to prove that giant humans once roamed the earth and even mingled with the dinosaurs.
Burdick has displayed a copy of his Ph.D. from the University of Physical Sciences (Phoenix, Arizona) in Carl Baugh's Glen Rose Creation Evidence Museum. According to Ronald Numbers' The Creationists [2]: "[Creationist Walter Lammerts'] inquiries revealed the University of Physical Science to be nothing more than a registered trademark. As described in its memographed bulletin, 'The University is not an educational institution, but a society of individuals of common interest for the advancement of physical science. There are no campus, professors or tuition fee.'"


Harold S. Slusher, formerly of the Institute for Creation Research, is best known for his critiques of radiometric dating techniques. He is also known for the rather bizarre suggestion that the universe is much smaller than it appears, because its geometry is Riemannian as opposed to Euclidean.
Slusher claims to hold an honorary D.Sc. from Indiana Christian University and a Ph.D. in geophysics from Columbia Pacific University. Robert Schadewald discovered that Indiana Christian University is a Bible College with only a 1/2 man graduate science department. As for Columbia Pacific, it "exhibits several qualities of a degree mill" [3]. Ronald Numbers describes CPU as

an unaccredited correspondence school that recruited students with the lure of a degree "in less than a year." Slusher's dissertation consisted of a manila folder containing copies of five memographed ICR "technical monographs" and a copy of the ICR graduate school catalog, all held together with a rubber band. The supervising professor was his creationist colleague from El Paso and the ICR, [Thomas] Barnes, who himself possessed only an honorary doctorate. [2]
According to Bears' Guide [1], Columbia Pacific was denied its application for state license renewal in early 1996 for undisclosed reasons. The university appealed the decision in late 1996, but the appeal had not been acted upon by the time Bears' Guide went to press.

Additionally, so far as I can tell, not one ICR, AIG or DI "scholar" has a published peer reviewed scientific paper refuting evolution in any reputable scientific journal.

There is no science in creationism.


79 posted on 02/02/2005 8:12:17 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: RaceBannon
I have enjoyed your posts and the Scriptural support used. Further showing that the Bible and evolution are not compatible.

I found it funny that the same people who argue against ID, do the very thing they despise when defending the theistic evolution. They use no evidence from the Bible to support their claim. None. All of their support is based on "reasoning", but none is based on Scripture as this article attests to. The Scriptural support is just not there for evolution.

JM
151 posted on 02/03/2005 6:36:26 AM PST by JohnnyM
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