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Cochise officials investigating 2 Minutemen
Arizona Daily Star ^

Posted on 04/07/2005 5:32:55 AM PDT by Kokojmudd

Illegal entrant taped holding 'caught' T-shirt By Michael Marizco ARIZONA DAILY STAR

PALOMINAS - Cochise County officials said they are investigating two Minuteman volunteers after an illegal entrant complained Wednesday to authorities that he was held against his will.

One of the men paid the illegal entrant $20 and gave him a T-shirt to hold up while he filmed the encounter. The T-shirt read: "Bryan Barton Caught an Illegal Alien and all I got was this T-shirt," said Carol Capas, spokeswoman for the Cochise County Sheriff's Department.

It's the first encounter where an illegal entrant has filed a complaint against Minuteman Project volunteers since the monthlong controversial protest started Friday. Volunteers have gathered in Southern Arizona to protest what they said is the federal government's inability to control the border.

Critics said the encounter is the first sign that the Minuteman Project is a "sham" meant to humiliate illegal entrants.

The incident started Wednesday afternoon when Barton, 24, and a second Minuteman volunteer encountered the illegal entrant on Arizona 92 near Palominas, Capas said.

Barton said he gave the man the T-shirt and $20 plus food and water. Then he filmed the man holding up the T-shirt.

The volunteers then called the Border Patrol, which sent agents to pick up the entrant. Once in custody, the entrant complained about being held by the volunteers.

"It was supposed to be funny," Barton said about the encounter.

Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever didn't think so.

"We have no time or patience for anyone attempting to turn this situation into a three-ring circus," he said.

The Cochise County Attorney's Office is also investigating the complaint.

Barton, who is running for Congress in San Diego on the Republican ticket, said he's not worried about charges being filed and that he never held the man against his will.

He said deputies seized the video for evidence. No arrests have been made in the incident.

"This shows what we've been saying all along," said Jennifer Allen, director of the Border Action Network.

"It was nothing but a media sham to mislead the public," she said. "Clearly they misrepresented the situation. They misrepresented themselves."

Minuteman Project organizers Chris Simcox and James Gilchrist could not be reached for comment Wednesday.

● Contact Michael Marizco at 573-4213 or mmarizco@azstarnet.com.


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Uh, oh. Looks like they are in heap big trouble for offending the illegal immigrant. Offending a preferred minority like illegal immigrants is a big no no in America.

In any event the T-Shirt did show a lack of class on the part of these two. If true the MMP should send these two packing IMO.

1 posted on 04/07/2005 5:32:55 AM PDT by Kokojmudd
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To: HiJinx

ping


2 posted on 04/07/2005 5:34:03 AM PDT by Kokojmudd (Today's Liberal is Tomorrow's Prospective Flying Saucer Abductee)
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To: Kokojmudd

Well, they paid him $20.


3 posted on 04/07/2005 5:34:23 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Kokojmudd

Agreed. Unprofessional.


4 posted on 04/07/2005 5:34:59 AM PDT by Huck (Unauthorized mp3 file sharing is THEFT.)
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To: Kokojmudd

"One of the men paid the illegal entrant $20 and gave him a T-shirt to hold up while he filmed the encounter. The T-shirt read: "Bryan Barton Caught an Illegal Alien and all I got was this T-shirt,""



Uh this doesn't seem a little beyond odd to you?


5 posted on 04/07/2005 5:35:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: OXENinFLA
Well, they paid him $20

Gee...his first under the table income!
7 posted on 04/07/2005 5:36:29 AM PDT by liberateUS
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To: Kokojmudd; harrowup

MMK update.

"Critics said the encounter is the first sign that the Minuteman Project is a "sham" meant to humiliate illegal entrants."

"It was nothing but a media sham to mislead the public," she said. "Clearly they misrepresented the situation. They misrepresented themselves."

""It was supposed to be funny," Barton said about the encounter. "


8 posted on 04/07/2005 5:37:45 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: odoso

Yea, I'm a little unsure of your position on the immigration issue. Your ambivalence is really annoying. Why don't you try to stop being so wishy washy and take a stand, fer goodness sake.


9 posted on 04/07/2005 5:38:42 AM PDT by dmz
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To: odoso
If anyone enters America illegally, they should be shot dead.

And who's going to make the decision that they're here illegally? This clown passing out the t-shirts? No thanks. I'll pass.

10 posted on 04/07/2005 5:39:15 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Kokojmudd

One of the men paid the illegal entrant $20 and gave him a T-shirt to hold up while he filmed the encounter. The T-shirt read: "Bryan Barton Caught an Illegal Alien and all I got was this T-shirt,"


"This shows what we've been saying all along," said Jennifer Allen, director of the Border Action Network."



It just don't get anymore convenient than this.


11 posted on 04/07/2005 5:40:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: dmz

My anger mgmt. class has helped me tone things down a lot...


12 posted on 04/07/2005 5:40:53 AM PDT by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: Kokojmudd
Reminds me of panties on the head or something.

We simply have got to stop trying to dress these people up like they were barbie dolls!

13 posted on 04/07/2005 5:41:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kokojmudd
Barton said he gave the man the T-shirt and $20 plus food and water. Then he filmed the man holding up the T-shirt.

Oh my how horrible!

I knew a guy, a good guy, who was from Puerto Rico, was married and had 2 or 3 kids; regularly attended church. He loved his cars and used to race them. One time he got pulled over by the cops for speeding, and in order to get out of the ticket he made up, on the spot, a story about how these other guys were chasing him and he was scared, etc. as an explanation. The police escorted him home and did not give him a ticket.

That is what this story reminds me of.

14 posted on 04/07/2005 5:42:15 AM PDT by ikka
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To: odoso
Hmmmm ~ and how is it you know anyone is making an illegal entry?

I'm thinking here of the Peace Bridge up at Niagara Falls and somebody going to work on the US side forgot his ID, and now you are going to shoot him dead.

Think of the cars filled with dead bodies getting in everybody's way. That place is bad on a good day!

15 posted on 04/07/2005 5:43:33 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ClintonBeGone
If anyone enters America illegally, they should be shot dead.

And who's going to make the decision that they're here illegally? This clown passing out the t-shirts? No thanks. I'll pass.

Funny that a clown obviously cares more about this country than those who continually rob, steal and cheat it's legal inhabitants. I'll take the clown over an indifferent big brother any day...
16 posted on 04/07/2005 5:44:03 AM PDT by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: ClintonBeGone

Yup, do something stupid (it was), and then blame the media for "misrepresenting the situation". It's always someone elses fault.

Being from the east coast, I thought the Minutemen were, in essence, scouts, who called in the border patrol when they encountered illegals; I didn't get the sense that they were going to grab them themselves. Even in writing that, I guess I realize that's naive.

Anyway, the story is getting huge play in the media already, the guy is a moron (sorry) for not recognizing the glare of media spotlights. JMO.


17 posted on 04/07/2005 5:46:11 AM PDT by dmz
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To: odoso

I can, uh, tell.

message to self...stay away from odoso


18 posted on 04/07/2005 5:47:48 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
"I can, uh, tell. message to self...stay away from odoso"

Nothing wrong with a little righteous indignation, nothing at all... IMHO.
19 posted on 04/07/2005 5:49:32 AM PDT by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: dmz

"the guy is a moron (sorry) for not recognizing the glare of media spotlights. JMO."


I'm not so sure this guy didn't expect a great deal of attention.


20 posted on 04/07/2005 5:49:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: Kokojmudd
OMG! Prisoner abuse! Brutality!
Wait. Did panties have a role in the incident?
Never mind.

In my universe, foreign criminals have no rights in my country. Zero, zip, nada. Impertinence just adds insult to injury.

21 posted on 04/07/2005 5:51:09 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: ClintonBeGone
"Critics said the encounter is the first sign that the Minuteman Project is a "sham" meant to humiliate illegal entrants."

And the problem with that is?
Aside from being PC?

The ultimate irony certain to spread nasty feelings like a biological weapon, would be for the Defenders to be arrested for imaginary touchy feely primitive concepts such as "dissing", while the real criminal not only goes free, but is celebrated.

22 posted on 04/07/2005 5:55:52 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: dmz

Exactly. Those two dumba$$es from California have tainted the tremendous work done so far by the Minutemen. The MSM will be on this story like white on rice. This clown cares nothing about the Minutemen. He went to Arizona strictly to get a laugh and his 15 minutes.


23 posted on 04/07/2005 5:55:56 AM PDT by BTHOtu
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To: odoso
Funny that a clown obviously cares more about this country than those who continually rob, steal and cheat it's legal inhabitants. I'll take the clown over an indifferent big brother any day...

FYI that clown with the t-shirts cares only about a good photo op for his run for congress. You never answered the question.

24 posted on 04/07/2005 5:57:24 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
"This shows what we've been saying all along," said Jennifer Allen, director of the Border Action Network

An organization who defends the rights of illegal aliens unauthorized entry? On what grounds do they have the right to circumvent the laws of the United States. The question must be asked "Who is aiding and abating here".

25 posted on 04/07/2005 5:58:19 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998
The question must be asked "Who is aiding and abating here".

I would say this clown with the t-shirts has now done more to hurt your cause than all the protestors like her. This was a foolish thing to do.

26 posted on 04/07/2005 6:00:29 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Kokojmudd
"This shows what we've been saying all along," said Jennifer Allen, director of the Border Action Network.

"It was nothing but a media sham to mislead the public," she said. "Clearly they misrepresented the situation. They misrepresented themselves."

Looks like Jennifer requires very little provocation before she spouts unsupportable idotic assertions.

27 posted on 04/07/2005 6:03:06 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Publius6961

During the cold war in Europe and Asia and even now in many areas an illegal entrant to a country would be SHOT dead without any questions .


28 posted on 04/07/2005 6:03:51 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: ClintonBeGone

"You never answered the question."

The INS? Border Patrols? The Police? Armed Services? Take your pick?

...and just for fun, answer your own question: "And who's going to make the decision that they're here illegally?"


29 posted on 04/07/2005 6:05:56 AM PDT by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: ClintonBeGone
Seems the "clown" had it well planned out. I'm surprised the organizers let the T-Shirt through security.
30 posted on 04/07/2005 6:06:23 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998
Seems the "clown" had it well planned out. I'm surprised the organizers let the T-Shirt through security.

I look at those pictures and see no security.

31 posted on 04/07/2005 6:08:10 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: odoso
"And who's going to make the decision that they're here illegally?"

I don't know about you but everytime I get pulled over by someone of authority they ask for ID. It's a good starting place.

32 posted on 04/07/2005 6:09:51 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: odoso
The INS? Border Patrols? The Police? Armed Services? Take your pick?

You clearly have a deficit in terms of understanding how our Constitution and form of government work. Due process is required for all in this country. I certainly hope if you work in a high rise office building, you're nothing more than a window washer. It's scary to come across people that talk like you, yet appear to lack the cognitive skills to appreciate the ramifications of their comments.

33 posted on 04/07/2005 6:11:20 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Renegade
During the cold war in Europe and Asia and even now in many areas an illegal entrant to a country would be SHOT dead without any questions .

That seems to suggest you think there were positive aspects of the totalitarian governments of the soviet union?

34 posted on 04/07/2005 6:13:30 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Kokojmudd
“Held against his will” – isn’t that synonymous with “citizen’s arrest? While generally a citizen’s arrest can only be made of a suspected felon, the men involved in this incident could have had reason to believe that the illegal border crosser may have been previously deported (given a free ride home by the US taxpayers).

Under federal law a deported alien may not be admitted to the United States for 5 years after deportation. Entry by a previously deported alien within 5 years of deportation is a criminal offense subject to a maximum imprisonment term of 2 years. Entry by a previously deported alien with a criminal history including a drug offense is a criminal offense subject to a maximum term of 10 years. Entry by a previously deported alien with a criminal history including an aggravated felony is a criminal offense subject to a maximum term of 20 years.

The detainee reported the incident and wants legal action taken. From this I would assume it was not his first time coming across our border illegally.

35 posted on 04/07/2005 6:14:11 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: OXENinFLA
Well, they paid him $20.

Make an example of the guy by fining him for hiring an illegal alien.

36 posted on 04/07/2005 6:14:46 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: odoso
Don't let them intimidate you.

The vast majority of those participating in the Minute Man Project and and the vast majority of those posting on these immigration threads think exactly the same way that you do.

You are not alone. You are the majority.

Be care man, you are drooling on keyboard.

37 posted on 04/07/2005 6:15:50 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Kokojmudd

They shouldn't be playing into the hands of the 'Border Action Network' crowd.


38 posted on 04/07/2005 6:18:00 AM PDT by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: Publius6961
"Wait. Did panties have a role in the incident?"

Yes.

And they've obviously gotten in a wad.

39 posted on 04/07/2005 6:19:24 AM PDT by Stormcrow ("It's not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so.")
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To: Ben Ficklin
Really? Please explain why the post was removed by moderator. This will be interesting.
40 posted on 04/07/2005 6:19:49 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: ClintonBeGone

"You clearly have a deficit in terms of understanding how our Constitution and form of government work. Due process is required for all in this country. I certainly hope if you work in a high rise office building, you're nothing more than a window washer. It's scary to come across people that talk like you, yet appear to lack the cognitive skills to appreciate the ramifications of their comments."

Scary? Scary is coming across spineless, socialist cowards like you that perpetuate indifference and apathy in this country.

and you failed to answer both questions.


41 posted on 04/07/2005 6:24:15 AM PDT by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: Orange1998; Ben Ficklin; odoso
Really? Please explain why the post was removed by moderator. This will be interesting.

Lets start with "It reflects poorly on this website to have particular members advocating murder". Make sense?

42 posted on 04/07/2005 6:28:29 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: cyborg

"They shouldn't be playing into the hands of the 'Border Action Network' crowd."

Taking in to consideration that the MMP has many folks (on both sides of the border) against what they are trying to do, it would not be beyond the realm of possibility that they've been infiltrated with a few who would like to cast a bad light on the effort.


43 posted on 04/07/2005 6:31:02 AM PDT by myheroesareDeadandRegistered (Ann Coulter/ Mark Levin tag team in '08)
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To: myheroesareDeadandRegistered

good point


44 posted on 04/07/2005 6:31:31 AM PDT by cyborg (Feel the FReeper Love)
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To: ClintonBeGone

45 posted on 04/07/2005 6:34:02 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: Renegade
During the Cold War if you were going from West to East, even legal entrants faced the risk of being shot dead. On the other hand, if you were going from East to West there was no risk.

Are you recommending that we adopt the policies of the former German Democratic Republic (GDR) as it was owned and operated by Eric Honniker, the evil Commie dictator?

46 posted on 04/07/2005 6:34:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ClintonBeGone

"That seems to suggest you think there were positive aspects of the totalitarian governments of the soviet union?"

To be fair, the Soviets shot people for trying to LEAVE, who the heck was trying to ENTER...? ;)


47 posted on 04/07/2005 6:35:00 AM PDT by adam_az (UN out of the US! - http://www.moveamericaforward.org/?Page=Petition)
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To: Ben Ficklin
The vast majority of those participating in the Minute Man Project and and the vast majority of those posting on these immigration threads think exactly the same way that you do.

Oh, that's right we all want to shoot aliens dead./sarcasm.

What we want is for our law inforcement agencies to enforce the law and keep ILLEGAL aliens out of our country. This is what the MM want also.

Anyone who really believes what you are saying about the majority wanting aliens killed as they cross just doesn't know what they are talking about.

48 posted on 04/07/2005 6:35:07 AM PDT by calex59
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To: ClintonBeGone

It's also equally as odious to have some perverted twit like you making every excuse you can for your illegal immigrant pals.


49 posted on 04/07/2005 6:35:18 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Sooner or later, you have to stand your ground. Whether anyone else does or not. - Michael Badnarik)
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To: ClintonBeGone

You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it...

This is Free Republic, not MoveOn.org or MichaelMoore.com. Again, you failed to answer both questions. Yep, you are definatly spineless, a socialist and a coward.





50 posted on 04/07/2005 6:36:31 AM PDT by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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