Posted on 04/09/2005 7:03:51 AM PDT by harrowup
A Houstonian armed to the teeth stands atop his pickup truck in the Arizona desert. He wishes to deter illegal immigrants from Mexico, but he and his confederates will fail. Border Patrol officials said some civilian observers set off motion detectors, complicating rather than aiding the agency's mission.
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As I recall, Nethercott got out of it, but some did go to jail. The ranch owner was sued and settled.
When they refuse, I call the cops.
I've told you before that the migrants don't weigh nearly as much as the rather heavy set steroidal mistakes apparently do.
Apparently, not enough. And it wasn't just to raise awareness to what is going on at the border. It is to raise awareness that the current administrations policies and DHS's efforts to secure the border aren't working. To show that border traffic CAN actually be stopped in an area if the will and adequate resources were there to actually do it.
Second, these type of operations have been tried before with bad results. When Ranch Rescue pistol-whipped those illegals in South Texas, they created bad press. Prior to that, Ranch Rescue ran an operation with the Rebublic of Texas kooks and that created bad press. More recently, during one of the smaller operations along the Arizona border, one of the participants had a run-in with a Park Ranger.
You've got so much bad information here that I don't even know where to start to correct it. I'll just say that basically nothing you posted here is truthful.
Militia type operations will only fail. You might consider hiring a public relations firm to help you.
And that's where your point completely falls apart. The Minuteman Project has NOTHING to do with Ranch Rescue or its offshoot militia group. The Minuteman Project is NOT a militia-group operation. As has been explained to you and everyone here countless times, the Minuteman Project is essentially a border FReep combined with a neighborhood watch. Signs and rallies over a single weekend aren't enough to get anyone's attention. A month-long event combining signs, rallies, and significantly cutting the number of border crossers combined with enough media hype to bring literally hundreds of reporters along is what is needed.
Yes, SOME of the participants are carrying firearms for personal protection. That still doesn't make this a militia-type operation. There's a number of reasons for the firearms. First and foremost, it is a dangerous area that this project is operating in. In fact, nearby some illegal aliens started a brushfire the other day which still has not been contained. The local paper reported yesterday that firefighter's efforts are being hampered because they can't work at night. The reason given to the newspaper was the violent drug traffickers operate in the area and the firefighters would be at an unacceptable risk. The second reason is that while this is not really a militia-type operation, you don't want to tell the border intruders that. Mexican law enforcement and Grupo Beta has been operating overtime scaring the potential border intruders to death because of those evil vigilantes on the border hunting down all of the illegal aliens. A well cultivated image south of the border, to say the least. The final reason is that if noone was carrying a firearm, I think more than half of the media would never had bothered to show up.
Now, I expect the violent drug smugglers and human traffickers to be upset about the Minuteman Project's operations and the fact that they are armed. I wouldn't expect a FReeper to join them. I would expect the Mexican Government to demonize the Minuteman Project as a bunch of armed militia types too. But I would not expect a FReeper to join them too. Finally, I would definitely expect the leftist anti-gun media to freak out over a few holstered sidearms. But I would not expect a FReeper of all people to be so shocked by American citizens exercising their rights to protect themselves as guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment.
So, lets say MMP gets thru this without a major incident, what happens next? Someone will run another operation of this type. And another. And another. Eventually, likely sooner than later, one of the subsequent operations will create an incident and everything goes down the drain.
You know, you might be right. So maybe Washington needs to take notice of this and secure our borders like they're supposed to before someone gets hurt. Oh wait, people are getting hurt every day by illegal aliens (like the 2 American citizens killed here in Cochise County last year when a human trafficker's vehicle flipped over smashing into a line of cars) all over the United States. This Slow Motion Terrorism is one of the primary reasons our borders need to be secured.
After failing to turn back the three ships in the harbor, local patriots led by Samuel Adams staged a spectacular drama. On the evening of December 16, 1773, three companies of fifty men each, masquerading as Mohawk Indians, passed through a tremendous crowd of spectators, went aboard the three ships, broke open the tea chests, and heaved them into the harbor.As the electrifying news of the Boston "tea party" spread, other seaports followed the example and staged similar acts of resistance of their own.'
I'll bet that if you had lived in the British Colonies in 1773 you'd have been saying the exact same kind of things about the Boston "Tea Party" that you and others are saying here. "But they broke the law! Trespassers! Vandals!" "Their turn out of 150 was anemic!" "What is a bunch of drunk fat old ex-supply sergeants in clown makeup going to do!" "Somebody could get hurt!" "The government doesn't approve, the harbormaster says they're interfering with harbor operations. We have to support King George! I mean, who do they want to rule over us...the French!!?" "It's just a big dog and pony show!" "Racists! Xenophobes! They're so insensitive to the native Americans!" "That yahoo, mental defective Sam Adams and his moonshine patriots are a cancer on the colonies!" "Someone will run another operation of this type. And another. And another. Eventually, likely sooner than later, one of the subsequent operations will create an incident and everything goes down the drain!" History will not remember your side of this argument very kindly.
Categorically a bigoted and racist remark. Are you a Buchanalite?
Harrowup, what do you propose we do to solve the problem of illegal immigration and what if anything do you propose we do to secure our borders?
Of course not. I have belonged to the ACLU for over 40 years and everyone has told me for years that I have the flatest arse in town.
Twinkie fed ACLU members.
Of course; but then again, I am fluent in many languages.
"Casey Netrhercott is the man that was involved in pistol whipping the illegals in south Texas. Even worse than that, he had previously detained a group of illegals, taken their shoes away from them and abandoned them in the south Texas brush country."
Need more of it!!!!
Then publicize it so potential future illegal law breaking border crossers will give it a second thought.
Your attempt of guilt by association will not work. Casey Nethercott has nothing to do with the Minuteman Project. In fact, before the project started, he echoed your derision of the project and spoke out against it.
And just so you understand Mr. Nethercott, he's all bluff and bluster. He's formed a militia down here and no one here much likes him and his bunch. Yes, they've recruited on Stormfront. These are the racist militia types that you need to be attacking. I can't stress this strongly enough, he and his group have nothing to do with the Minuteman Project. Your animus towards the MMP is misplaced.
In the first place this is an Editorial in the Houston Chronicle to which I subscribe.
In the second place I know you have been on the border and I have been reading your reports and have treated them with as much respect as due. Your spin is not obnoxious or absurd in its bravado.
Finally, I have no problem with demonstrations of any kind provided they are without threat or intimidation. Armed vigilantes are not by any definition a demonstration. They are a threat and a nuisance. Your contrary opinion is valid. You have not to my reading called anyone opposed to your position either a traitor or agent of a foreign power. You have my appreciation for remaining civil.
What my opinion of fundraisers and demonstrations in D.C. have to do with this is beyond me...but trust me, I know what you would like to hear and you won't be satisfied in that regard.
You may, if you wish invite me to another thread which discusses your concerns about other venues.
Apparently YOU understand what Nethercott's up to with his outlandish comments. However, I'm sure that his input is not welcomed by the Minuteman Project organizers. We don't need that kind of crap right now.
I understand that. But it was you that repeated a passage and highlighted the portion about the alleged "anemic" turnout. Why would you have done that if you weren't attempting to disparage the efforts the Minuteman Project volunteers by highlighting a report of an "anemic" turnout?
Sure I do but I find it repulsive that the border patrol treats the illegals that they do catch with kid gloves plus turning the non mexicans they catch loose to freely roam our country.
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Nethercott got out of it because of a jury of 12 who decided that he was INNOCENT. Yes, he was jailed because the illegal alien LIED.
If you recall, as you stated you did, why then do you find it necessary to get on these threads and LIE?
Harrowup, Do you support any limitation on immigration? Any border security? Youre not really in the ACLU are you?
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