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To: 4ConservativeJustices
LOL.

I'm so glad you think the Emancipation Proclamation is funny . It provides useful insight into your world view. It wasn't funny to your white supremist confederate heroes, who saw the EP with its call to arm the freed slaves and put them into military service, as a dagger aimed at the heart of their proto-fascist state.

He allegedly freed slaves in a) a foreign country or b) his own country.

Lincoln always sought to preserve the Union and uphold the US Constitution first. The Emancipation Proclamation recognized that slavery in states not in rebellion was Constitutional [a sad and unfortunate truth], while slavery in states at war with the United States was not protected the same way.

-btw I posted the EP to you without comment in direct response to your posting Union documents regarding confedrate prisoners. The truth is your white supremist southern heroes were unwilling to treat captured black soldiers as humans, something you seem unwilling to face up to. Hence your quasi-legalistic strawman about how states in rebellion should be provided the legal protection of the country they were trying to destroy.

1,574 posted on 05/21/2005 12:42:15 PM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: mac_truck; All
the FATAL FLAW in your argument is the PRESENCE in the ranks of 100,000+ CSA soldiers, sailors & marines, "of colour", who had served HONORABLY as VOLUNTEERS from the time the first shots of the WBTS were fired.

do you believe the CSA's black soldiers,sailors & marines were TOO DUMB to know what the war was about & what they were fighting FOR??

pray, give us the benefit of your great knowledge on that single question. a simple YES or NO, stripped of damnyankee blather/nonsense/spin, will be fine.

free dixie,sw

1,583 posted on 05/22/2005 10:15:47 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: mac_truck
I'm so glad you think the Emancipation Proclamation is funny . It provides useful insight into your world view. It wasn't funny to your white supremist confederate heroes, who saw the EP with its call to arm the freed slaves and put them into military service, as a dagger aimed at the heart of their proto-fascist state.

Nonsense. The EP was a ploy by your White Supremacist hero Lincoln - if the states returned to the union before 1 Jan they would KEEP their slaves - they refused. Freedom from arrogant, liberal, yankee hypocrits meant meant more to Southerners. Additionally, Lincolns motivation was to prevent England from siding with the South, and was also designed to incite a slave rebellion al la Haiti, whereby millions of slaves would rise up and slaughter the old men, women and children that they were with - to their credit, the slaves refused, remaining loyal to their countrymen.

Lincoln always sought to preserve the Union and uphold the US Constitution first. The Emancipation Proclamation recognized that slavery in states not in rebellion was Constitutional [a sad and unfortunate truth], while slavery in states at war with the United States was not protected the same way.

BS. Our President can object to anything in a foreiegn country but cannot legally change anything. Your White Supremacist hero and Great Hypocrit Lincoln considered the seceded states to still be in the union - so he LEGALLY had no authority to seize Southern properties without compensation. Per the US Supreme Court, the 'Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine, involving more pernicious consequences, was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government.'

-btw I posted the EP to you without comment in direct response to your posting Union documents regarding confedrate prisoners. The truth is your white supremist southern heroes were unwilling to treat captured black soldiers as humans, something you seem unwilling to face up to. Hence your quasi-legalistic strawman about how states in rebellion should be provided the legal protection of the country they were trying to destroy.

Your White Supremacist hero Lincoln refused medical supplies to his own POW's, and signed off on starvation wages for Confederate POW's. The Confederate government refused exchange of SLAVES, that the Union armies had conscripted (stolen) and placed into service as cannon fodder. Even then, Union soldier James Page had noted that there were only a handful of black prisoners, the refusal of Lincoln to exchange POW's was simply to prevent the Confederate forces to reclaim their own men.

The Confederacy never attempted to destroy your Union, they formed their own country. The Confederacy sought freedom, the Union fought against freedom and self-government.

Face it, Lincoln was MORE than willing to allow thousands of 'loyal' union soldiers to be held as POW's, knowing full well the Confederacy had almost no medicines (and refused to sell such for treating union troops), and knowing that POW's were starving as were Confederate troops. To Lincoln, such was acceptable.

1,587 posted on 05/23/2005 6:31:06 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross. HIS love for us kept Him there.(||)
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