Posted on 04/28/2005 12:03:24 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
The difference is Onan went into his brother's wife, and then shamed her. The hypothetical in Deut. simply refuses to perform the rite at all.
Sure. And if God killed everyone who ever sinned, there wouldn't be anyone left. But these statements hardly imply that sin does not exist or that masturbation is not a sin.
Fortunately for us, God gave us Christ his son instead of the destruction we deserve.
Moral Absolutes Ping.
Will not be able to read this until later, but it must be good, EdReform pung me to it!
The cultural standard used to be (for many thousands of years) chastity before marriage, fidelity within marriage. Obviously not every single solitary person followed this high standard, but it was the standard. When there is an absolute standard, people know when they fall short, they make informed choices - knowing that if they fall from the standard, there will be repercussions; societal disapproval among them.
Now the cultural standard is such that if a single person lets it be known that he/she is celibate until marriage, very often people make fun of him or her with scorn.
My cats are more moral than many human beings are these days. At least they follow their own nature.
Let me know if you want on/off this pinglist.
(Note: I may have more comments later tonight after I read the article!!!)
Sure there would: the five-percent who are liars, lol!
You need to get to a decent Christian book store. There are lots of them.
Here's another part of the problem. Our modern interpretation of grace allows for a get out of jail free card under any circumstances. There is no eternal consequence to having sex before marriage, or adultry during or divorcing when the couple "grows apart" according to that premise. Any wonder our saved young men and women live just as the unsaved.
Well, I'm 52; and you would be pleasantly surprised at the number of unmarried middle-age Christian women who look forward to marriage and having a very, very uninhibited and active sex life with their future husbands.
Like Abraham, Jacob, Judah, King David, King Solomon....
LOL..
You just need to say: When she asks you: Will you respect me in the morning??? *YOU* Of course I will... and when she says:
Am I your one and only? *YOU* Of course you are..
Guarantee: Won't have to wait even with a christian girl....
except for the "saved person" what's the consequence of adultry of the heart or even adultry?
I don't think all Christian women are looking for an uninhibited active sex life with there husbands...maybe with the future ones though!LOL...Just kidding...
There are still women who fall for that?? o_O
Anything man says to get sex quicker = lie :P
HAHA..I have no idea....But it worked with me many many years ago! LOL....
Poke your eye out....
Huh?? What about Genesis 38: 8-10? Juda, therefore, said to Onan his son: Go in to thy brother's wife and marry her, that thou mayst raise seed to thy brother. He knowing that the children should not be his, when he went in to his brother's wife, he spilled his seed upon the ground, lest children should be born in his brother's name. And therefore the Lord slew him, because he did a detestable thing
Onan's sin was CONTRACEPTION (coitus interruptus), not masturbation.
If ONLY Bible thumping women really followed that! Most don't. I sifted through plenty of churchy hypocrites before I finally found a real Christianb woman who actually practiced abstaining til marriage.
As I was saying....
Christianity is about FORGIVENESS, no not an excurse to SIN, but I beg to say most christians are not virgins when they marry and Bibically I would beg to say ALL have committed ADULTERY as what it states about Lust the point is the flesh is weak but the spirit is strong in Christ..
Good for you that you found a woman who was a virgin to marry but it does not mean she is a BETTER Christian than a woman who was not a virgin when she married...
Looking at history (and the Bible, considering some of the rules in it), the standard seems not to have been chastity before marriage -- heck, even the Puritans practiced "bundling" -- but the expectation that, if an unmarried woman became pregnant, the father would marry her. Rather a useful standard to ensure a given coupling was capable of resulting in children.
I'll gladly grant you that even that standard is not being lived up to these days. (OTOH, if it were, my wife would have been already married, when I met her, so in at least one major way, I'm glad it's not.)
If nothing else, any standard of charity seems to have been more honored in the breech.
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