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Sex and the Unmarried Christian
Beliefnet.com ^ | 4/28/05 | Holly Lebowitz Rossi

Posted on 04/28/2005 12:03:24 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

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To: St. Johann Tetzel

The difference is Onan went into his brother's wife, and then shamed her. The hypothetical in Deut. simply refuses to perform the rite at all.


41 posted on 04/28/2005 1:07:08 PM PDT by Paul_B
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To: conserv13
Well, if God killed everyone who masturbates, there wouldn't be anyone left.

Sure. And if God killed everyone who ever sinned, there wouldn't be anyone left. But these statements hardly imply that sin does not exist or that masturbation is not a sin.

Fortunately for us, God gave us Christ his son instead of the destruction we deserve.

42 posted on 04/28/2005 1:08:02 PM PDT by bourbon (quasi morientes et ecce vivimus!)
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To: thompsonsjkc; odoso; animoveritas; St. Johann Tetzel; DaveTesla; mercygrace; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping.

Will not be able to read this until later, but it must be good, EdReform pung me to it!

The cultural standard used to be (for many thousands of years) chastity before marriage, fidelity within marriage. Obviously not every single solitary person followed this high standard, but it was the standard. When there is an absolute standard, people know when they fall short, they make informed choices - knowing that if they fall from the standard, there will be repercussions; societal disapproval among them.

Now the cultural standard is such that if a single person lets it be known that he/she is celibate until marriage, very often people make fun of him or her with scorn.

My cats are more moral than many human beings are these days. At least they follow their own nature.

Let me know if you want on/off this pinglist.

(Note: I may have more comments later tonight after I read the article!!!)


43 posted on 04/28/2005 1:09:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: conserv13
Well, if God killed everyone who masturbates, there wouldn't be anyone left.

Sure there would: the five-percent who are liars, lol!

44 posted on 04/28/2005 1:17:34 PM PDT by Ignatz (Evolution IS intelligent design!)
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To: freedomfiter2
So many ‘Christian’ books that I’ve read on sexuality really don’t acknowledge that women have libidos.

You need to get to a decent Christian book store. There are lots of them.

45 posted on 04/28/2005 1:17:50 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath

Here's another part of the problem. Our modern interpretation of grace allows for a get out of jail free card under any circumstances. There is no eternal consequence to having sex before marriage, or adultry during or divorcing when the couple "grows apart" according to that premise. Any wonder our saved young men and women live just as the unsaved.


46 posted on 04/28/2005 1:19:33 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: holdmuhbeer
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but thats exactly why I stay away from Bible Thumping women. Gee whiz I'm 38 years old and any woman tells me I have to wait until I marry her to get some, oh well baby see ya later.

Well, I'm 52; and you would be pleasantly surprised at the number of unmarried middle-age Christian women who look forward to marriage and having a very, very uninhibited and active sex life with their future husbands.

47 posted on 04/28/2005 1:22:39 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: little jeremiah
The cultural standard used to be (for many thousands of years) chastity before marriage, fidelity within marriage. Obviously not every single solitary person followed this high standard,

Like Abraham, Jacob, Judah, King David, King Solomon....

48 posted on 04/28/2005 1:23:54 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: holdmuhbeer

LOL..
You just need to say: When she asks you: Will you respect me in the morning??? *YOU* Of course I will... and when she says:
Am I your one and only? *YOU* Of course you are..

Guarantee: Won't have to wait even with a christian girl....


49 posted on 04/28/2005 1:24:12 PM PDT by missyme (Don't let the door hit ya in the ?)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
In the New Testament, Jesus does say if you look at a woman lustfully, you have already committed adultery in your heart. Actually doing it just adds another sin, and causes the other party to sin also.
50 posted on 04/28/2005 1:25:38 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

except for the "saved person" what's the consequence of adultry of the heart or even adultry?


51 posted on 04/28/2005 1:28:04 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: connectthedots

I don't think all Christian women are looking for an uninhibited active sex life with there husbands...maybe with the future ones though!LOL...Just kidding...


52 posted on 04/28/2005 1:28:10 PM PDT by missyme (Don't let the door hit ya in the ?)
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To: missyme

There are still women who fall for that?? o_O

Anything man says to get sex quicker = lie :P


53 posted on 04/28/2005 1:29:03 PM PDT by swissarmyknife
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To: swissarmyknife

HAHA..I have no idea....But it worked with me many many years ago! LOL....


54 posted on 04/28/2005 1:33:40 PM PDT by missyme (Don't let the door hit ya in the ?)
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To: joesbucks

Poke your eye out....


55 posted on 04/28/2005 1:37:39 PM PDT by missyme (Don't let the door hit ya in the ?)
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To: bourbon
The Bible doesn’t have anything to say about masturbation.

Huh?? What about Genesis 38: 8-10? Juda, therefore, said to Onan his son: Go in to thy brother's wife and marry her, that thou mayst raise seed to thy brother. He knowing that the children should not be his, when he went in to his brother's wife, he spilled his seed upon the ground, lest children should be born in his brother's name. And therefore the Lord slew him, because he did a detestable thing

Onan's sin was CONTRACEPTION (coitus interruptus), not masturbation.

56 posted on 04/28/2005 1:41:32 PM PDT by Rytwyng (Men should only occupy themselves with hunting and war - Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: holdmuhbeer
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but thats exactly why I stay away from Bible Thumping women. Gee whiz I'm 38 years old and any woman tells me I have to wait until I marry her to get some

If ONLY Bible thumping women really followed that! Most don't. I sifted through plenty of churchy hypocrites before I finally found a real Christianb woman who actually practiced abstaining til marriage.

57 posted on 04/28/2005 1:44:06 PM PDT by Rytwyng (Men should only occupy themselves with hunting and war - Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: holdmuhbeer
post 49: Won't have to wait even with a christian girl....

As I was saying....

58 posted on 04/28/2005 1:47:27 PM PDT by Rytwyng (Men should only occupy themselves with hunting and war - Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: Rytwyng

Christianity is about FORGIVENESS, no not an excurse to SIN, but I beg to say most christians are not virgins when they marry and Bibically I would beg to say ALL have committed ADULTERY as what it states about Lust the point is the flesh is weak but the spirit is strong in Christ..

Good for you that you found a woman who was a virgin to marry but it does not mean she is a BETTER Christian than a woman who was not a virgin when she married...


59 posted on 04/28/2005 1:49:39 PM PDT by missyme (Don't let the door hit ya in the ?)
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To: little jeremiah
The cultural standard used to be (for many thousands of years) chastity before marriage, fidelity within marriage.

Looking at history (and the Bible, considering some of the rules in it), the standard seems not to have been chastity before marriage -- heck, even the Puritans practiced "bundling" -- but the expectation that, if an unmarried woman became pregnant, the father would marry her. Rather a useful standard to ensure a given coupling was capable of resulting in children.

I'll gladly grant you that even that standard is not being lived up to these days. (OTOH, if it were, my wife would have been already married, when I met her, so in at least one major way, I'm glad it's not.)

If nothing else, any standard of charity seems to have been more honored in the breech.

60 posted on 04/28/2005 1:56:07 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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