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To: A. Pole

I think no small part of preferring foreign-born engineering graduates to home-grown is in their scholastic performance. Too many here are content to just squeak by on math and science.


3 posted on 07/27/2005 6:24:03 AM PDT by NRA1995 (West Virginia needs neurosurgeons like San Francisco needs gynecologists)
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I think no small part of preferring foreign-born engineering graduates to home-grown is in their scholastic performance. Too many here are content to just squeak by on math and science.

That's the conundrum. The best and brightest of our US-born students are smart enough to see what is happening out there. They think, why should I spend four or six or eight years in school pursuing a difficult field of study, only to be either unemployed or have my job outsourced to Bangalore?

And please, people, spare us the routine FR bromides about "it's their own fault for choosing the wrong field", or "start your own business, you lazy bum". For a student looking to start an academic program, that kind of crap is not the kind of thing that will encourage them.

7 posted on 07/27/2005 6:31:14 AM PDT by chimera
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To: NRA1995; A. Pole

"How much longer will parents shell out $100,000 for a college education for a son or daughter who ends up employed as a bartender, waitress or temp?"

I think NRA1995's reply:"I think no small part of preferring foreign-born engineering graduates to home-grown is in their scholastic performance. Too many here are content to just squeak by on math and science."

pretty well sums it up. Maybe if a few more spoiled American kids had to pay for their OWN education, they'd be more involved AND committed. I come in contact with both foreign and American students...I'd hire the foreign one over the American every time. East Indians, just as an example, are probably NOT smarter...they're just willing to work for what they want. They have not been handed everything and appreciate what their earned money can buy.


8 posted on 07/27/2005 6:33:09 AM PDT by Maria S
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To: NRA1995

I think no small part of perferring foreign-born ...etc. is because they are cheap.


12 posted on 07/27/2005 6:44:25 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: NRA1995

That is a ridiculous, uniformed, unsupportable statement.


14 posted on 07/27/2005 6:47:46 AM PDT by clearsight (forsake your popularity and do what is right for God's sake and ours.........)
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To: NRA1995
I think no small part of preferring foreign-born engineering graduates to home-grown is in their scholastic performance. Too many here are content to just squeak by on math and science.

From my experience, H1Bs are generally not math or science whizzes.

20 posted on 07/27/2005 6:52:44 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: NRA1995

" Too many here are content to just squeak by on math and science."

It's because of the "non-competitive" attitude present in todays educational establishments. We did this to ourselves.


34 posted on 07/27/2005 7:16:53 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: NRA1995
I think no small part of preferring foreign-born engineering graduates to home-grown is in their scholastic performance. Too many here are content to just squeak by on math and science.

WOW!

Blame the victims ... even if they're your own kids!

36 posted on 07/27/2005 7:22:15 AM PDT by iconoclast ( "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive")
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I think no small part of preferring foreign-born engineering graduates to home-grown is in their scholastic performance. Too many here are content to just squeak by on math and science.

it has to do more with choice of career. When I went to engineering school, over half the students were foreign. Science and engineering are tough things to study and you will miss out on a lot of parties and socializing. I would say a lot of Americans students would rather have their fun instead.

89 posted on 07/27/2005 8:25:30 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: NRA1995

Why is math and science down in the US? Because white males tended to be good at it. This had to stop. A stop was put to it sometime in the 60's.


247 posted on 07/27/2005 12:20:52 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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