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Nuclear family gets nuked by the Gen-Xers
The Australian ^ | 9/15/05 | Bernard Salt

Posted on 09/15/2005 9:28:57 AM PDT by qam1

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To: AdamSelene235

Oh please, what utter crappola.


101 posted on 09/15/2005 12:35:01 PM PDT by Melas (The dumber the troll, the longer the thread)
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To: AdamSelene235
Even if you have kids, they will likely be so heavily taxed that they will be unable to provide assistance.

QFT.

102 posted on 09/15/2005 12:35:46 PM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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To: tortoise

I'll say it if Qam won't. The vast majority of childless 30 something and 40 something individuals I meet are bigger children than my children. And by children I don't mean charmingly playful or youthful. I mean self-centered prima-donnas with little or no maturity.


103 posted on 09/15/2005 12:37:55 PM PDT by Melas (The dumber the troll, the longer the thread)
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To: Bird Jenkins

There are no illegitmate children. The very concept is ugly at its core.


104 posted on 09/15/2005 12:39:00 PM PDT by Melas (The dumber the troll, the longer the thread)
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To: qam1

At least here in the US there are two factor at work. Firstly tax policies still don't greatly favor having kids as much as they should. And secondly, the fear of how to deal with the indoctrination in the government schools puts a damper on procreation. If it was more financially appealling to have kids, and if the school situation was not so depressing, I think more people would be having kids.


105 posted on 09/15/2005 12:40:16 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: AdamSelene235
It happens a hell of alot more one way than it does the other.

I have said nothing at all different.

Women, standing the most to gain, initiate divorces at a rate far higher than men and they are granted custody in the overwhelming majority of cases.

I had the most to lose when I initiated divorce proceedings against my ex-husband, with no children of my own involved - yet I was going to be expected to pay my share of child support for his child from a previous marriage because the formula that calculated the amount he paid included my income.

Nothing California does surprises me any longer, so trying to equate the female rape victim paying the support to the assinine idea a male rape victim should do so is as ludicrous as the statute itself.

106 posted on 09/15/2005 12:41:55 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) USSG Warning: portable sewing machines cause broken ankles)
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To: Shazolene
"I believe that government and society do have an obligation to do what they can to encourage the furtherance of the species and the country by encouraging families. The only means they have to do this is through monetary and tax policy."

Your beliefs rest on shaky constitutional grounds.
107 posted on 09/15/2005 12:41:59 PM PDT by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: qam1
Partly at least, this is economic. We treat children as if they were a liability, not an asset (investment).

Drastically cutting Social Security benefits for the childless would be a good start.

108 posted on 09/15/2005 12:47:36 PM PDT by Feldkurat_Katz (What no women’s magazine ever offers to improve is women’s minds - Taki)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Okay. I thought people today had children because they wanted them and wanted to experience the joy of raising them and loving them for the rest of their lives, much much moreso than having them fill a slot in anyone's retirement plans.

Anyhow, what I was trying to say is even if you have children it's not guaranteed they'll be taking care of you--lots of things can prevent that from happening.

Remember also that even if it comes about, your children & grandchildren will be so overtaxed by SS/Medicare/whatever gubmint welfare system that it'll be even harder for them to support you.


109 posted on 09/15/2005 12:47:36 PM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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To: Feldkurat_Katz

I have a better idea.

Let's grandfather out SS entirely.

BTW, using the federal gubmint to punish people for choosing to not have children is NOT conservative at all.


110 posted on 09/15/2005 12:50:31 PM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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To: Antoninus
Marriage has also rescued a lot of men from lives of dissipation and degradation. Myself included. I thank God for my wife and kids at least once per day.

That bears repeating again.

111 posted on 09/15/2005 12:54:30 PM PDT by Melas (The dumber the troll, the longer the thread)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Wow, you actually have it in for people who have children.


112 posted on 09/15/2005 12:57:25 PM PDT by Melas (The dumber the troll, the longer the thread)
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To: Clemenza; rmlew; A. Pole; PARodrig
Not to worry, the Mexican immigrants and Muslims will more than make up for it with the two parent 6+ children household. Europeans are on the way to extinction as is their culture and civilisation all over the planet. Nihilism, thought to have died with the advent of Stalinism has reared it's ugly head everywhere where the avant garde leftists once dubbed by Lennin as "useful fools" have taken over society.

The womb is the real weapon of mass detruction as it has been throughout history.



113 posted on 09/15/2005 1:00:03 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

Not a practical reality. It's hard enough to live with the person you're sleeping with. Take away that intimacy, and living with roomates or family becomes more of a hassle than it is worth for the average adult.


114 posted on 09/15/2005 1:00:20 PM PDT by Melas (The dumber the troll, the longer the thread)
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To: k2blader
Let's grandfather out SS entirely.

In another country, at another time, perhaps. The current reality is that eliminating Social Security is not politically feasible, so we might at least recognize the fact that parents contribute more, by raising future taxpayers.

115 posted on 09/15/2005 1:01:12 PM PDT by Feldkurat_Katz (What no women’s magazine ever offers to improve is women’s minds - Taki)
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To: Antoninus
No, not quite. Those stats leave out one very important factor--how many atheists even bother to get married at all? I'll bet if this chart included atheists who are in 'committed relationships', the stats would be dramatically different.

Nope..

Quote "It just stands to reason that the bond of religion is protective of marriage, and I believe it is." But Mr. Barna's numbers appear to say something otherwise about some of the country's most fervent Christians. His letter addressed those Christians' most common defenses, point by point, and the cross-tabulations of his study responded to many of the scholarly objections. He rejected the idea that large numbers of divorced Christians left their marriages before they converted. He also found no reason in his 3,854-person national survey to believe that large numbers of Christian marriages broke up because the Christian partner was "unequally yoked" with a non-Christian.

He doesn't buy that Christians divorced more often because they married their romantic partners rather than merely living with them. He doesn't have co-habitation data, but, Mr. Barna said, "of more than 70 other moral behaviors we study, when we compare Christians to non-Christians we rarely find substantial differences and we have no reason to believe co-habitation would veer from that pattern."

And, as with most of these types of surveys, it doesn't attempt to separate out those who are committed to their Faith from the RINO (religion in name only) types.

I'm hearing bagpipes

but no, in all Barna surveys (Barna is an Evangelical Christian polling group BTW)the pollster first determines the religiousness of the person they are polling by asking specific questions

116 posted on 09/15/2005 1:04:39 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

No. Rome became Christian, it was not replaced by Christians. Christian Rome fell to the barbarians.


117 posted on 09/15/2005 1:09:08 PM PDT by Melas (The dumber the troll, the longer the thread)
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To: Feldkurat_Katz

Actually, physiologically speaking, your sperm is the most robust and healthiest between 16 and 20, so it's no different for men.


118 posted on 09/15/2005 1:11:21 PM PDT by Melas (The dumber the troll, the longer the thread)
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To: RMDupree

BRAVO.

I was wondering when the anti-public school comments were going to begin.....but I wanted to see if you responded before I commented upon that.

You have every right to take pride in what you are doing for yourself, your children, and your mother. You remind me of my sister-in-law, a woman I greatly admire for how she handled the adversity of life.

Her 2 daughters are now in their 20s and so on track as to be amazing to me.

Keep up the good work.


119 posted on 09/15/2005 1:14:15 PM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) USSG Warning: portable sewing machines cause broken ankles)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
If children and adults are constantly bombarded with the message that they're supposed to be miserable if they don't live in a married-forever-with-children family, they're a lot more likely to be miserable, than if they weren't getting bombarded with that negative message.

How is it, then, that children today are more unhappy (e.g., suicidal) than ever before? After all, we're much more open to "alternative family structure," much more non-judgmental, and yet children are less happy than in more traditional times.

120 posted on 09/15/2005 1:14:56 PM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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