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Mirecki hospitalized after beating (KU Relig. prof. who mocked religion)
Lawrence Journal World ^ | 12/05/05 | Ron Knox

Posted on 12/05/2005 8:13:08 PM PST by Will_Zurmacht

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To: AmishDude
Is the book cruel and Fran unusual or is it vice versa?

It's 'and', not merely 'or'. :-)

701 posted on 12/07/2005 12:04:47 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

I have to be honest. I don't look to threads and cherry pick posts I don't like. If somebody says something particularly stupid, I ignore it. But that's just me. Comes from grading calc exams taken by bio students. Write down the zero and move on.


702 posted on 12/07/2005 12:05:06 PM PST by AmishDude (Your corporate slogan could be here! FReepmail me for my confiscatory rates.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

I knew it wasn't XOR, that's for sure. ;)


703 posted on 12/07/2005 12:05:36 PM PST by AmishDude (Your corporate slogan could be here! FReepmail me for my confiscatory rates.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Since we did no such thing, how about we change it to, "Far be for you to teach morality to anybody."

That's fine. I'll just question the morality of someone who expresses no concern over the establishment of a university class for the purpose of ridiculing the beliefs of others, and the intelligence of someone who sees no connection between inflammatory words and a subsequent beating.

704 posted on 12/07/2005 12:06:04 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: AmishDude
I ignore more than I used to, but some stuff I won't let go. Just insert 'Jew' or 'Christian' for 'atheist' and see what the reaction would be.

BTW, paging through the thread, I recognized several evo regulars.

705 posted on 12/07/2005 12:11:38 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"I'll just question the morality of someone who expresses no concern over the establishment of a university class for the purpose of ridiculing the beliefs of others, and the intelligence of someone who sees no connection between inflammatory words and a subsequent beating."

OK, and I'll question the morality and the intelligence of someone who can't find it in his heart to condemn terrorism. :)

Now we're even.
706 posted on 12/07/2005 12:12:55 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

I'll further question the integrity of someone who continually harps on terrorism in a discussion concerning pugilism and then insists he is not implying any equality between the two. I addressed #461 by stating it is not necessary to treat the bubbleheaded professor on the same level as genocidal tyrants, etc. Remember? You've picked up some imaginary ax to grind.


707 posted on 12/07/2005 12:20:58 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: highball
Hate speech? Hate speech? Since when do conservatives believe in "hate speech"?

That tells me all I need to know.

And that would be ???????

708 posted on 12/07/2005 12:26:18 PM PST by OB1kNOb (I'm gonna boogie oogie woogie til I just can't boogie no more..............)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"I'll further question the integrity of someone who continually harps on terrorism in a discussion concerning pugilism and then insists he is not implying any equality between the two."

And I'll question the integrity of someone who can't condemn Eric Rudolph. :)

"I addressed #461 by stating it is not necessary to treat the bubbleheaded professor on the same level as genocidal tyrants, etc. Remember?"

So, you condone the bombing of abortion clinics then. Cause that is what post 461 was praising, remember? :)
709 posted on 12/07/2005 12:35:19 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
And I'll question the integrity of someone who can't condemn Eric Rudolph.

I would, too.

So, you condone the bombing of abortion clinics then.

You seem to be well-practiced at non-seqiturs.

710 posted on 12/07/2005 12:38:05 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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defensive-creationists PLACEMARKER.


711 posted on 12/07/2005 12:44:01 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Art of Unix Programming by Raymond)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"I would, too."

Then why do you support people here who have called his actions heroic and praiseworthy?


So, you condone the bombing of abortion clinics then.


"You seem to be well-practiced at non-seqiturs."

No, it's a logical conclusion if you think that
"genocidal tyrants" should be killed, and you realize that abortion doctors were lumped into that group in post 461. There is no other conclusion possible.
712 posted on 12/07/2005 12:45:11 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Then why do you support people here who have called his actions heroic and praiseworthy?

My posts have not indicated support for anyone's position but my own. Post #461 does not contain "praise." You just wish it did. It merely raises questions anyone is free to answer.

No, it's a logical conclusion . . .

It is not a logical conclusion to assume someone condones the bombing of abortion clinics when he merely states that beating up a loony professor is not on the same level as dealing with genocidal tyrants or abortionists.

It is a logical conclusion however, to assume someone is both delusional and disingenuous when he continually talks about terrorism in a thread related to pugilism in an attempt to paint other people in a bad light. But hey, since you can't tell the difference between sarcasm and gloating it stands to reason you can't tell the difference between beating up a loony professor and dealing with genocidal tyrants.

713 posted on 12/07/2005 1:00:11 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: kimosabe31
...stage yet another attempt darwinian martyrdom.

Yet another?!

Examples please.

I'm a bit skeptical of Mirecki's story, but it's because libs have staged "hate crimes" in the past. We'll see soon enough.

714 posted on 12/07/2005 1:00:37 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: MeanWestTexan; Tench_Coxe
Fake posters are a real possibility, I agree.

Indeed, I would be surprised if that was not the case for many of the most over-the-top posts we see

I've often wondered how many of the anti-evo posters here are really plants from DU. Salting FR with off-the-wall quotes to mine.

715 posted on 12/07/2005 1:09:21 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: OB1kNOb

If you think that there is such a thing as "hate speech," it should not surprise me that you don't seem to have much of a problem with people being beaten for their political views.

That's what it tells me.


716 posted on 12/07/2005 1:13:13 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"My posts have not indicated support for anyone's position but my own"

Your standing up for a disgusting series of posts. That's support. And when asked to speak against them, you refused.

"Post #461 does not contain "praise." You just wish it did. It merely raises questions anyone is free to answer."

You are deluding yourself. From post 461:

"So often I hear you "knee jerk" moralists demean and condemn others who faced with the holocaust in our country, have the courage to go after abortionists at the sacrifice of their own lives and liberty in an effort to slow down or halt this brutal, cruel, sadistic practice. Tell me something MeanWest, what gives you the right to critize these people? What have you sacrificed for these little ones?"

Then there is a different poster in post 541,

"Though I myself am a coward,I respect those heroes who are portrayed as evil, by the very ones who enable the true evil to continue." (speaking of abortion clinic bombers)

You entered the discussion in post 557, but failed to say one word against the above.

"It is not a logical conclusion to assume someone condones the bombing of abortion clinics when he merely states that beating up a loony professor is not on the same level as dealing with genocidal tyrants or abortionists."

That's not all you said. You refuse to say that post 461 was wrong. You lumped abortion doctors with genocidal tyrants.

"It is a logical conclusion however, to assume someone is both delusional and disingenuous when he continually talks about terrorism in a thread related to pugilism in an attempt to paint other people in a bad light."

I wasn't the one who brought up blowing people up. Should we have just ignored it? What would that say to the lurkers here? It would say that we condone that. Silence speaks as loud as words sometimes.

BTW, beating someone up isn't *pugilism*. It's assault.

"But hey, since you can't tell the difference between sarcasm and gloating it stands to reason you can't tell the difference between beating up a loony professor and dealing with genocidal tyrants."

Are abortion doctors genocidal tyrants who need killing?
717 posted on 12/07/2005 1:19:22 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: MeanWestTexan

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

MOTHER!!

(an old Catholic joke from an old Catholic)


718 posted on 12/07/2005 1:24:54 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: highball
If you think that there is such a thing as "hate speech," it should not surprise me that you don't seem to have much of a problem with people being beaten for their political views. That's what it tells me.

Well, none of that's true but I'll restate one last time, a fact of life.

"In life, you can choose your actions, but you cannot choose the consequences."

719 posted on 12/07/2005 1:32:48 PM PST by OB1kNOb (I'm gonna boogie oogie woogie til I just can't boogie no more..............)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
You're standing up for a disgusting series of posts.

What do you mean, "Standing up for?" I'm just not an alarmist like you. I don't read between the lines, jump to stupid conclusions, and badger people when they express opinions of a moral nature. I'll let their words speak for themselves. A discussion about terrorists and such is not germane to this thread, but like a broken record you keep claiming it is. I don't care if you brought it up or not. You might as well have. What do abortion and terrorism have to do with a professor who was allegedly assaulted?

720 posted on 12/07/2005 2:12:19 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: RadioAstronomer

"Mirecki mum on details of beating"

Read today's thread above.

Are you going to retract your comments?

Touche'


721 posted on 12/07/2005 2:17:33 PM PST by jaguaretype (Sometimes war IS the answer)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

"Mirecki mum on details of beating"

Read today's thread above.

Are you going to retract your comments?

Touche'

You won't because you are a sanctimonious ...... whatever.

LOL!!!


722 posted on 12/07/2005 2:18:55 PM PST by jaguaretype (Sometimes war IS the answer)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"What do you mean, "Standing up for?" I'm just not an alarmist like you. I don't read between the lines, jump to stupid conclusions, and badger people when they express opinions of a moral nature."

That would be opinions of an immoral nature. And your silence is support.

"I'll let their words speak for themselves."

And your silence speaks for you.

"A discussion about terrorists and such is not germane to this thread, but like a broken record you keep claiming it is."

It is when a poster is an apologist for terroristic actions. Like a broken record, you keep pretending the post was just dandy.

"I don't care if you brought it up or not."

Sure, why concern yourself with the facts.

"What do abortion and terrorism have to do with a professor who was allegedly assaulted?"

Ask the poster of post 461, he brought them into the discussion.


723 posted on 12/07/2005 2:22:44 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: jaguaretype
Are you going to retract your comments?

If you took the time to go back and read my comments, you would notice I was posting about freepers who were gleeful this guy was hurt (even before any facts were realized). Nothing to retract. The behavior of many freepers here were appalling no matter what the outcome is. That is what I was commenting on.

724 posted on 12/07/2005 2:23:44 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Mamzelle

They are a neo-nazi group...they sometimes try to slip in a a new member a to post racist views...I've heard the admins knock them out real quick!


726 posted on 12/07/2005 2:32:05 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Proof against evolution:"Man is the only creature that blushes, or needs to" M.Twain)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Furthermore, post 461 was not even addressed to me. It was addressed to another individual who noted there are numerous cases of Christians indulging in hateful acts, much as pummeling a hapless professor is a hateful act (whether done by Christians or anyone else).

That seems to be your favorite post. It's like a sweet morsel to you. Like a pig wallowing in filth you'd like to spread it around and pretend all Christians are complicit in unwarranted acts of violence. Maybe I should respond to the remainder of your posts in "oinks."


727 posted on 12/07/2005 2:32:50 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"Furthermore, post 461 was not even addressed to me."

Yes, Pontius Pilate.


728 posted on 12/07/2005 2:33:54 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Ask the poster of post 461, he brought them into the discussion.

I'll take that as a tacit admission that abortion and terrorism have little to do with a professor who was allegedly assaulted. By your silence regarding the apparent cause for bubblehead's bruises I will take it as tacit admission that you support the formation of university classes solely intended to ridicule the beliefs of others. Why do you support university classes to make fun of other people?

729 posted on 12/07/2005 2:41:42 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Is that you, Jezebel?


730 posted on 12/07/2005 2:42:32 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"I'll take that as a tacit admission that abortion and terrorism have little to do with a professor who was allegedly assaulted."

I never said it did. That was your linkage. I was responding to a repugnant statement by someone else. If the thread had been about taxes, and the poster made a side comment about killing abortionists, I would have reacted the same way. You are obsessed with linking this with the professors alleged beating, when I have made no such claim. I won't apologize for calling out someone who is an apologist for terrorism. No matter what the original topic of the thread was.

"By your silence regarding the apparent cause for bubblehead's bruises I will take it as tacit admission that you support the formation of university classes solely intended to ridicule the beliefs of others."

?? The cause of his bruises were either two morons who should be in jail, or the whole thing was made up. Whether the professor is a left-wing idiot or not doesn't change the fact that an attack on him physically, if it happened, is wrong.

"Why do you support university classes to make fun of other people?"

I don't. Why are you changing the topic?
731 posted on 12/07/2005 3:10:57 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"Furthermore, post 461 was not even addressed to me."

Did I say it was? No.

"That seems to be your favorite post. It's like a sweet morsel to you. Like a pig wallowing in filth you'd like to spread it around and pretend all Christians are complicit in unwarranted acts of violence."

That's a lie. My whole family are Christians. They think that terrorism in all it's forms is bad. They don't support the likes of Eric Rudolph. I have NEVER implicated ALL Christians in anything. I am talking about particular so-called Christians who have no problem being apologists for blowing people up.

" Maybe I should respond to the remainder of your posts in "oinks."

Would raise the standard of your posts.
732 posted on 12/07/2005 3:14:57 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Would raise the standard of your posts.

ROFL!!

733 posted on 12/07/2005 3:19:23 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: AmishDude
Furthermore, assuming Rudolph is guilty of what he is charged with, he should get the Tookie treatment.

Not he shouldn't. That would be wrong. Dude admitted guilt in a deal to avoid the needle.

734 posted on 12/07/2005 3:21:03 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ( the Wedge Document ... offers a message of hope for Muslims - Mustafa Akyol)
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To: Oztrich Boy

thanks. Lost track of the case, actually.


735 posted on 12/07/2005 3:23:34 PM PST by AmishDude (Your corporate slogan could be here! FReepmail me for my confiscatory rates.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Did I say [post 461] was [addressed to you]? No.

Then why do you link me to that post by implication? You essentially think unsatisfactory reaction to a post you find objectionable is reason to believe I am some how linked to its intent. Not only myself, but anyone else who does not join in your self-righteous chest beating.

I am talking about particular so-called Christians who have no problem being apologists for blowing people up.

Are you a pacifist? Do you believe there is absolutely no condition under which another person's life should be taken by force?

Also, why haven't you criticized the professor who set up a class for the purpose of ridiculing people's beliefs? In your failure to criticize his actions you have proven that you support such classes. Why do you support university classes that are designed to make fun of people? I haven't seen you denounce such classes, so that must mean you support them.

736 posted on 12/07/2005 3:42:25 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Would raise the standard of your posts.

In your case I believe it.

737 posted on 12/07/2005 3:43:22 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"Then why do you link me to that post by implication?"

Because you jumped into a discussion of it and made a statement about my motives for talking about that post. I had no desire to talk to you. You did this to yourself, Fester. :)

"Are you a pacifist? Do you believe there is absolutely no condition under which another person's life should be taken by force?"

Is blowing up abortion clinics one of those conditions?

"Also, why haven't you criticized the professor who set up a class for the purpose of ridiculing people's beliefs?"

Stop changing the subject.

"Why do you support university classes that are designed to make fun of people?"

I don't. I have no problem with a class though that looks at creationism as a myth.

Would raise the standard of your posts.



"In your case I believe it."

You would have been better off if you did what you said you would and just posted *oinks* to me. I would have had far more respect for you. :)


738 posted on 12/07/2005 3:50:28 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Whether the professor is a left-wing idiot or not doesn't change the fact that an attack on him physically, if it happened, is wrong.

I agree. But if it was a reaction to the professor's inflammatory language it was not unprovoked. He wouldn't have those bruises if he had the sense to refrain from establishing a university class dedicated to the ridicule of other people's beliefs.

739 posted on 12/07/2005 3:56:37 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"I agree."

Finally. See? we agree on something. Let's end it on that and go onto bigger and better threads. :)

<< has been trying to find a way to abandon thread about 400 posts ago. lol
740 posted on 12/07/2005 3:58:56 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
You would have been better off if you . . . just posted *oinks* to me.

My standards are not as low as yours.

741 posted on 12/07/2005 4:00:30 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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"Abandon Thread! All Hands, Abandon Thread!" Placemarker
742 posted on 12/07/2005 4:03:44 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Just mythoughts
Just heard on my local news that Mirecki has resigned!!!!!
743 posted on 12/07/2005 4:13:42 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

He only stepped down as chairman. However, Paul Mirecki remains as a tenured professor there.

From what I read, he stepped down after all the controversy over the past few weeks, so the department could get on with its teaching/research function.


744 posted on 12/07/2005 4:54:50 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: All

A man. He was attacked. He thought something that others did not agree with. So he was attacked. How is that acceptable?


745 posted on 12/07/2005 6:18:54 PM PST by bolp
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To: bolp
He was not attacked by anyone except himself.

The same cannot be said for you, as you will soon see.
746 posted on 12/07/2005 6:20:41 PM PST by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Ah, well the local report only said he resigned, it was in the midst of their coverage of school/college etc., closings and traffic update.


747 posted on 12/07/2005 7:02:37 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Will_Zurmacht

Those interested in this story should check out two newer developments:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1535627/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536115/posts


748 posted on 12/07/2005 7:11:11 PM PST by johnnyb_61820
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To: bolp
"He thought something that others did not agree with."

If I decided to start a class that talked about economics, and the effect of interest rates, then stated that it was to 'slap the 'kikes' in the face', I would expect that there would be very little sympathy for the reaction to the statement and the intent of the class.

Those are what are known as 'fighting words'. Freedom of speech extends to a certain point. While people are free to be bigots, Mirecki was definitely walking on the wrong side of that line. I don't condone the violence, but if the story he tells is true, I'm not surprised.

749 posted on 12/07/2005 7:51:23 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: TeleStraightShooter
Fight Club?

Couldn't be. Remember the first rule of Fight Club.

750 posted on 12/08/2005 12:01:28 AM PST by FredZarguna (Vilings Stuned my Beeber: Or, How I Learned to Live with Embarrassing NoSpellCheck Titles.)
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