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Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Post ^ | 17 December 2005 | Kayla Bunge

Posted on 12/17/2005 3:58:48 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Junior
Oh, Hovind's here. Hell, he's probably on this thread.

We could probably find him by his poor spelling and general irrationality. Hey, wait, he must have a dozen accounts!

661 posted on 12/17/2005 6:21:57 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: eleni121
"I've posted more than enough as to why evo is washed up...just like those who are fascinated by its charms."

So in other words, you have no answer, only rants and whining. :)
662 posted on 12/17/2005 6:22:41 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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Its Saturday Night and I'm 50 posts behind ===> Placemarker <===
663 posted on 12/17/2005 6:23:12 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Free Baptist; Ichneumon
You have only told me you refuse to take God's word for anything.

No, Ichy is only refusing to take your word for what God's word is.

664 posted on 12/17/2005 6:23:15 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: furball4paws
You just demeaned one of my favorite anatomical features :-)

My heartfelt apologies to pussies everywhere; I failed to realize that in characterizing Hovind as a PUSSY, I was in fact committing an unspeakable insult.... against pussies.

;-)

665 posted on 12/17/2005 6:23:40 PM PST by longshadow
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To: montag813
Wow! A High School science teacher!

The fun part is, the way it's worded it makes it sound like that's what he started out as. Actually, if I read his affidavit right, he got some sort of ministry degree (religious education) from an unaccredited Bible college in Michigan, and then spent some time wandering around and teaching science in various evangelical parochial schools. So the kicker is, as an uneducated (in science), unlicensed (as a teacher) holder of a worthless degree, he's even less qualified to comment on evolution than your average high school science teacher.

666 posted on 12/17/2005 6:24:57 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Free Baptist

As is your's. Grow up child and face the facts.


667 posted on 12/17/2005 6:25:02 PM PST by lemura
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Another similarity between Creationists and leftists - argument from emotion.
668 posted on 12/17/2005 6:25:57 PM PST by furball4paws (The new elixir of life - dehydrated toad urine.)
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To: lemura
There are millions of Cleti out there just waiting to help you retire early.

Already did. And it was not by fleecing simple, deluded fools out of their rent and grocery money.

669 posted on 12/17/2005 6:26:09 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Was it me or you? lol This thread is moving so quick I'll probably fire on myself if I am not careful. :)
670 posted on 12/17/2005 6:26:28 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

The post you were responding to in 635 was cynical, but not hostile, I think ;)


671 posted on 12/17/2005 6:27:39 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: PatrickHenry

Do you have anything to add to the discussion, o Phd one!


672 posted on 12/17/2005 6:27:40 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Coyoteman

That's because Hovind is here and utilizing the most advanced marketing techniques deployed to date: use a free resource to generate market awareness for one's product. The guy's a genius and should be studied from that standpoint alone. Crap, he's probably posting from the beach somewhere in the Carib laughing all the way as his PayPal account keeps generating hits.


673 posted on 12/17/2005 6:28:00 PM PST by lemura
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To: Free Baptist
The laminar layers you speak of, themselves, with all of their contents, were the product of the very same deluge that covered the highest mountain top in 40 days.

Well, no, but don't let geophysics, hyrdodynamics, and geology get in your way.

674 posted on 12/17/2005 6:28:43 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: andysandmikesmom
Thanks...I am usually a little timid to post, but what the heck...tonite I am sipping on spiked eggnog, and have let my guard down a little...

I enjoy your posts--live it up on a Saturday night. (Merlot here.)

You are coming at this from a different angle, and inject a touch of sanity on occasion.

675 posted on 12/17/2005 6:28:44 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: balrog666

Well, actually it's just your tax money coming back to you.


676 posted on 12/17/2005 6:28:55 PM PST by lemura
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To: balrog666
D@mn! Are we in the Smokey Back Room already? Can we speak our minds now?

Not yet.... for the record, I was using the term in a rhetorical, not anatomical, sense.

;-)

677 posted on 12/17/2005 6:29:11 PM PST by longshadow
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To: Full Court; AntiScumbag; CarolinaGuitarman; Senator Bedfellow; jennyp; PatrickHenry; WKB; ...
The IRS complained that SINCE 1997 his ministry, which includes voluntary offerings taken at churches, sales from the books and other materials he writes and produces and income from his Dino Land have earned $1 million. That's in 8 years time. And of course there is no mention of the funds spent paying Staff, and plowed back into the ministry. Why would you lie about the guy so bad????

*Us* lying about *him*? Oookay.. Here's your Mr. Truth in all his dishonest glory:

[From The Hovind Bankruptcy Decision:]

The evidence presented at the hearing paints a clear portrait of a tax protester whose sole purpose in seeking relief under chapter 13 was to obtain the release of property seized by the IRS. The IRS in this case has filed a proof of claim setting forth a secured tax claim in the amount of $10,461.36 for the tax years 1989, 1990, and 1991, and a priority claim in the amount of $10,690.46 for the years 1992, 1993, 1994, and 1995. The IRS records reflect that notwithstanding his earning of income during the years in question, the debtor has failed to file any federal income tax returns for those tax years for which the IRS has filed its proof of claim. Furthermore, the IRS has no record of the debtor ever having filed a federal income tax return. [1]

[...]

Notwithstanding the debtor's listing under penalty of perjury in his schedules and statement of affairs that he has no income, has no expenses, and owns no property, the evidence shows otherwise. Records from the State of Florida, Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles ("DHSMV") reflect three motor vehicles, a 1987 Mercury, 1989 GMC, and 1984 Honda titled in the debtor's name. Real property records from Escambia County, Florida reflect that the debtor and his wife purchased a home on December 16, 1993 from Ernest and Voncile Hicks and gave the Hicks, a mortgage in the amount of $60,000 encumbering the home. The testimony of Mrs. Hicks together with a closing statement from the sale, reflects a purchase price of $90,000 for the house with the debtor paying $30,369.43 down. Mrs. Hicks' testimony further established that the debtor makes regular payments on the mortgage and has in fact paid in advance on the mortgage. Typically, payments are made with third party checks made payable to the debtor and endorsed over to Mrs. Hicks. In February, 1995, the debtor paid $3,265.00 for the installation of central heating and air conditioning in the house. Additionally, the debtor has three children all of whom attend a private Christian school for which he and his wife pay approximately $4,800.00 per year in tuition and fees.

An inventory of the debtor's van following seizure by the IRS revealed video and audio tapes and printed literature on creationism published by the debtor. Included in the literature is an order form containing prices designated as "suggested donations:" The "suggested donation" for the video tapes ranged from $9.95 each to $14.95 each with the "donation" for a set of all eighteen (18) of the debtor's videos of $180.00.

In the face of all of the foregoing, the debtor apparently maintains that as a minister of God everything he owns belongs to God and he is not subject to paying taxes to the United States on the money he receives for doing God's work. While in his correspondence to the IRS he denies being a tax protester., the evidence overwhelmingly establishes otherwise. At the hearing on this motion, debtor's counsel represented to the court that the debtor was now ready to do everything which was required of him to comply with the Bankruptcy Code and the Internal Revenue Code including the filing of tax returns and payment to the trustee in accordance with the plan filed immediately prior to the hearing. However, the debtor himself never took the stand during the hearing to testify to that nor has he ever filed any amended schedules and statement of affairs to reflect his true financial status. Given this debtor's history and the documentary evidence presented, I cannot find that this debtor has any intention of complying with the Bankruptcy Code nor with the Internal Revenue Code.

[...]

Here, the debtor, who has failed to acknowledge his obligations as a citizen and taxpayer of the United States, seeks to utilize this taxpayer supported court in order to thwart the lawful collection efforts of the Internal Revenue Service. While questioning his legal status as a "taxpayer", the debtor has completely ignored the eligibility requirement of 11 U.S.C. 109(e) which provides "only an individual with regular income . . . may be a debtor under chapter 13 of this title". In his own filings which were signed under a declaration under penalty of perjury that the information provided is true and correct, the debtor claimed he had no income. Thus, he should clearly be ineligible to be a debtor under chapter 13. Counsel for the debtor argued at the hearing that pleading alternative theories is permitted and sanctioned in our court system. This argument, when made in the context of sworn schedules and statements of affairs in connection with a bankruptcy filing, is patently absurd.

[...]

The debtor having failed to file his federal income tax returns for at least the years 1989 through 1995, having resisted collection efforts by the IRS, and having provided false information in his schedules and statement of affairs in connection with this case, I find that the debtor filed this petition in bad faith and as such the petition is subject to dismissal for cause under the provisions of 11 U.S.C. 1307(c).

Another giggle from the decision:
Rather than appearing and producing any of the records set forth in the summons, the debtor submitted a letter to Revenue Officer Powe claiming that he is "a non resident alien to the federal government," that he cannot confirm nor deny that he received income nor that he was a taxpayer under the IRS Code, and demanding that the IRS provide him with certain items proving that he was required to pay taxes. [...] Soon thereafter, on February 20, 1990, the debtor prepared and had served on Revenue Officer Powe by the Escambia County Sheriffs Department a document entitled "Asseveration [sic] of Invalid Lien/Levy" in which the debtor contended that the IRS tax lien/levy was invalid and that he was an inhabitant of the "Florida Republic".
"The Florida Republic", eh? Look, if Kent "Dr. Dino" Hovind can't even grasp the simple and widely known fact that Florida ceased being a Republic and became the Florida Territory in 1822, and hence became a US State in 1845, how can we trust him with the harder stuff like science, biology, and physics?

Boy, talk about creationists living in the past!

678 posted on 12/17/2005 6:29:15 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
This thread is moving so quick I'll probably fire on myself if I am not careful.

Give the credit to Hovind. He's probably the very worst of the "professional" creationists, and that's an incredible accomplishment. His followers, therefore, provide a veritable feast for us. This is grand entertainment.

679 posted on 12/17/2005 6:29:29 PM PST by PatrickHenry (... endless horde of misguided Luddites ...)
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To: Coyoteman

You are living in a bubble if you think this is the only thread that discusses the flawed evo theories.

You can believe what you want..but the kind of evo idiots who dishonor the Creator disgusts.

Who cares what your PhD is in..I certainly don't and would never need to publicize my academic credentials.

Further, science does science...not lately. Science has become involved in all sorts of devious devilish stuff...from human cloning to chimera reseach to ridiculing the reiigous right...you are living in a bubble, your excellency.



680 posted on 12/17/2005 6:30:50 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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