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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Since I asked for some of your *facts* that disprove evolution,

How do you provide FACTS which disprove something when there's no facts which prove the premise in the first place. Here I'll give you one fact that ends the debate.

Evolution can not be observed because of the "stated" amount of time it would take for one species to evolve into another. The only problem with this fact is the definition of "species." A dog, is a dog, is a dog.

46 posted on 12/17/2005 6:49:16 AM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: sirchtruth

" Evolution can not be observed because of the "stated" amount of time it would take for one species to evolve into another."

False:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
http://online.santarosa.edu/presentation/?3205

BTW, direct observation is only ONE way to gather evidence about something. Many theories in science are centered on indirect observations.


"The only problem with this fact is the definition of "species." A dog, is a dog, is a dog."

Why is this a problem? How do YOU define species?


50 posted on 12/17/2005 6:55:50 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: sirchtruth; All
"A dog, is a dog, is a dog."

Of course you can easily cheat just by looking at the link addresses, but just for fun (anyone) how many and which of the following, if any, are NOT dogs (i.e. members of the Family Canidae, i.e. canids)? Each pic is linked to a larger image.


248 posted on 12/17/2005 10:55:41 AM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: sirchtruth
A dog, is a dog, is a dog.

Ah. I didn't realize this previously, but some species of dogs have different chromosome numbers! And there are homologies in their chromosomes to other carnivores (e.g. cats) although the canids do appear to be monophyletic.

The pattern of phylogenomic evolution of the Canidae [Abstract]

Canidae species fall into two categories with respect to their chromosome composition: those with high numbered largely acrocentric karyotypes and others with a low numbered principally metacentric karyotype. Those species with low numbered metacentric karyotypes are derived from multiple independent fusions of chromosome segments found as acrocentric chromosomes in the high numbered species. Extensive chromosome homology is apparent among acrocentric chromosome arms within Canidae species; however, little chromosome arm homology exists between Canidae species and those from other Carnivore families. [...] In addition, painting probes from domestic cat (Felis catus), representative of the ancestral carnivore karyotype (ACK), and giant panda (Ailuropoda melanoleuca) were used to define primitive homologous segments apparent between canids and other carnivore families. Canid chromosomes seem unique among carnivores in that many canid chromosome arms are mosaics of two to four homology segments of the ACK chromosome arms. The mosaic pattern apparently preceded the divergence of modern canid species since conserved homology segments among different canid species are common, even though those segments are rearranged relative to the ancestral carnivore genome arrangement. The results indicate an ancestral episode of extensive centric fission leading to an ancestral canid genome organization that was subsequently reorganized by multiple chromosome fusion events in some but not all Canidae lineages.

1,582 posted on 12/19/2005 7:54:25 AM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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