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To: Jorge
[You obviously didn't major in Biology...]

Actually biology was one of my strongest subjects,

So I'm right, you didn't major in it.

and I got straight A's not only in College but also in High School.

Of course you did. And I'm frequently on the cover of GQ.

I love biology and bet I could run circles around you in any discussion on the topic.

Then go right ahead, show us what you've got. I'll try to keep up.

["I am an ex-evolutionists turned Christian."]

Somehow I doubt that.

[Who the hell cares what you "doubt".]

You obviously care enough to get ticked off about it.

You don't know me. You have never met me.

No, but I've met many who sound just like you, and I know how *those* discussions turned out, so I'm just going with the odds. Feel free to surprise me, though, I'll be as pleased as anyone if I turn out to be mistaken in my impression.

The idea that you chose to call people you know nothing about liars about their personal lives because they disagree with you shows how pathetically weak your arguments really are.

The idea that you can be so dense as to mistake my expression of doubt to be the same as "calling you a liar" shows how pathetically poor your reading comprehension is. Did you *really* get 4.0's in your classes dealing with language and verbal arts?

"Evolution is an idiot theory designed to disprove the Bible."

[Wrong, but thanks for playing.]

No. I'm Right.

Feel free to actually *support* your claim, instead of the bluster and giggling you've done so far.

And in fact Darwin agrees with me and said as much.

Oh, *this* should be fun. Go ahead and document your claim, son. You're not going to be so reckless as to tell us the old Lady of Hope lie again, are you? That one's so goofy that even AnswersInGenesis (a creationist organization) denounces it.

And, just what kind of idiot who allegedly had Biology as "one of his strongest subjects" would be so braindead as to think that even if Darwin *had* changed his mind, that it would in *any* way damage evolutionary biology? Science rests upon the evidence itself, not on who might or might not have doubts. Are you *sure* you've taken science courses? If so, you didn't learn much in them.

You do know who Darwin is don't you?

Yes, and I know him well enough to know that you're talking horse manure.

And by the way if you think people are going to bother reading the enormous volumes of reading material you posted, think again.

Lots of people have read it. If your attention span is too small, it's surprising you got through school with 4.0's. But hey, if Biology is actually one of your "strongest subjects", you should *know* all this material already, no need to actually read it. Just skim it to see what subjects I've covered, then write your rebuttal. Right? I mean, if you *are* actually the hotshot you claim you are...

If you can't make a short and to the point response to a post, nobody is going to waste their time mulling through huge reading assignments looking for information because you are not articulate enough to make your point.

What, you don't *know* this material already? Even though Biology is (you claim) "one of your strongest subjects?

But okay, here's the short version: The evidence for human/ape common ancestry is overwhelming, and independently cross-confirms across multiple lines of evidence. So where do you get off denouncing it as "transparently idiotic", without a *very* good explanation of where, exactly, those many lines of evidence and their attendant tens of thousands of research results are flawed, and why?

Come on, son -- if you're actually the "convert" from evolution to Christianity that you claim you are, you should be personally aware of plenty of material which describes what, exactly, you discovered to be wrong with the foundations of evolutionary biology. So let's see it.

Give us all a major break.

Just how young are you?

939 posted on 12/17/2005 10:48:23 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon; Jorge; Dimensio; Baraonda; VadeRetro; PatrickHenry; stormer
In post post #892, I invited Jorge to support his claim that it's a "transparently idiotic theory" to hold that man and ape have common ancestry, by addressing just a *tiny* sampling (which I provided) of the massively overwhelming evidence supporting that conclusion.

Jorge's response was a blustering excuse about how he wasn't going to read a "huge reading assignments".

I responded by pointing out that if he was *really* the hotshot biology student and ex-evolutionist he claimed to be, he would *already* know such material (as well as fitting rebuttals suitable for ultimately rejecting that evidence), so that excuse was moot. I then invited him *again* to actually address the *very* small fraction of the full body of evidence which I had posted for his critique, and asked him to point out where, exactly, it was flawed in a way that would make the scientific conclusions cross-confirmed by it "transparently idiotic".

It has now been over 36 hours, and Jorge seems to have vanished.

Of course, this is in keeping with the way he vanished and failed to respond the last time I issued him the same challenge to deal with the evidence, on January 30, 2005...

(You'd think that more than ten months would be enough time for him to come up with *some* material, but he seemed woefully unprepared when I asked him again in this thread.)

For someone so arrogant about his alleged education, training in biology, and former evo-status, Jorge seems to be *awfully* shy about backing up his claims that evolutionary biology is "idiotic"...

1,675 posted on 12/19/2005 1:53:42 PM PST by Ichneumon
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