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Darwinism Completely Refutes Intelligent Design
SPIEGEL ^ | December 26, 2005 | DANIEL DENNETT

Posted on 12/27/2005 2:13:35 PM PST by tbird5

Intelligent Design is once again making headlines in the United States. But what is the attraction? Daniel Dennett spoke with SPIEGEL about the attraction of creationism, how religion itself succumbs to Darwinian ideas, and the social irresponsibility of the religious right in America

SPIEGEL: Professor Dennett, more than 120 million Americans believe that God created Adam our of mud some 10,000 years ago and made Eve from his rib. Do you personally know any of these 120 million?

Dennett: Yes. But people who are creationists are usually not interested in talking about it. Those who are actually enthusiastic about Intelligent Design, though, would talk endlessly. And what I learned about them is that they are filled with misinformation. But they've encountered this misinformation in very plausible sources. It's not just their pastor that tells them this. They go out and they buy books that are published by main line publishers. Or they go on Web sites and they see very clever propaganda that is put out by the Discovery Institute in Seattle, which is financed by the religious right.

SPIEGEL: In the center of the debate is the theory of evolution. Why is it that evolution seems to produce much more opposition than any other scientific theory such as the Big Bang or quantum mechanics?

Dennett: I think it is because evolution goes right to the heart of the most troubling discovery in science of the last few hundred years. It counters one of the oldest ideas we have, maybe older even than our species.

(Excerpt) Read more at service.spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: bigbang; creationism; crevolist; danieldennett; discoveryinstitute; evolution; id; intelligentdesign; philosophy; religion; steadystate
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1 posted on 12/27/2005 2:13:35 PM PST by tbird5
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To: tbird5

bttt for later read.


2 posted on 12/27/2005 2:14:34 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: tbird5

More evidence that the Darwinists are mainly interested in doing away with the notion of God.


3 posted on 12/27/2005 2:18:21 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: tbird5

"Religion must be incomprehensible to be successful, says Dennett."

Not sure what he means by this since it isn't in the text of the article, but under a photo of the Vatican.(I think it's the Vatican)


4 posted on 12/27/2005 2:23:11 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: tbird5
"SPIEGEL: Professor Dennett, more than 120 million Americans believe that God created Adam our of mud some 10,000 years ago and made Eve from his rib. Do you personally know any of these 120 million?"

Bull. The 120 million figure is derived from a conflation of various loaded survey questions.

5 posted on 12/27/2005 2:23:30 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: tbird5
Dennett has some interesting insights about the evolutionary nature of religions. But he thinks the problem with religion is man has shrunk God's role to the point where God is simply a master of ceremonies instead of being the active creator of the world. Do we even need God any more? That's the direction in which science has led people and that's precisely where evolution happens to be controversial because its changed people's relationship to the heavens as well as to the world around them.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

6 posted on 12/27/2005 2:24:17 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: My2Cents
More evidence that the Darwinists are mainly interested in doing away with the notion of God.

No. Only evidence that people with agendas will seize on any old subject that promises to generate emotion.

The creationists seize on the ID philosophy to disguise their agenda, and atheists seize on evolution to promote theirs.

The only good thing that's come out of this fight is an added emphasis on evolution studies in the last year, which has seriously added to our understanding of how it works via new microbiological evidence. While the IDers are crowing about their latest work of fiction sold on the 700 club, real scientists are decoding the human and primate genomes and discovering how they work, and how the genome itself evolves.

7 posted on 12/27/2005 2:24:30 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: narby

both are theory only though! so, there should be both theories put forth as a possibility.

"While the IDers are crowing about their latest work of fiction sold on the 700 club, real scientists are decoding the human and primate genomes and discovering how they work, and how the genome itself evolves."

Very self righteous statement.


8 posted on 12/27/2005 2:27:58 PM PST by jw777
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To: Bigh4u2
I think he means there must be an element of mysticism to religion to make it successful. The human mind is perfectly capable of attaching complicated meanings to what should be kept simple. Evolution, so to speak, rips that veil away from the world and makes everything clear again. No wonder religions feel hostile towards it for it makes their role superfluous. If you can explain the processes of life in terms of empirical data, what do you need the supernatural for? That's where Darwin undermined the traditional explanations for how life adapts on the planet and religion hasn't managed to recover that former authority it once commanded.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

9 posted on 12/27/2005 2:29:16 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: tbird5
I don't know, because it seems to me that the very best evidence we have for the truth of Darwin's theory is the evidence that arrives every day from bioinformatics, from understanding the DNA-coding. The critics of Darwinism just don't want to confront the fact that molecules, enzymes and proteins lead to thought. Yes, we have a soul, but it's made up of lots of tiny robots.

10 posted on 12/27/2005 2:32:31 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: tbird5
I find life and existence a beautiful and more mysterious thing than any scientist or theologian can even partially explain.
11 posted on 12/27/2005 2:35:18 PM PST by appleharvey
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To: narby

How to make a whole lot of money:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/museum/

Words fail me...


12 posted on 12/27/2005 2:35:46 PM PST by dustedvinyl
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To: balrog666
I don't agree our soul is just an expression of our physical existence. We're clearly much more than that. But Dennett love him or hate him, is right about one thing: Intelligent Design will never demolish evolutionary theory to explain living processes since Occam's Razor favors the simpler explanation as the correct answer.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

13 posted on 12/27/2005 2:36:10 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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"If you can explain the processes of life in terms of empirical data, what do you need the supernatural for? "

But that could only be accomplished to a certain extent, wouldn't it.

Even if scientists could prove, without a doubt, that all life evolved from a chemical reaction, wouldn't that still leave the question of how the chemicals came to be in the first place?

I don't see any incompatiblity with evolution and natural selection, and religion. But the 'big bang' question still remains because it leaves the question of what happened before that occurred and what made it occur to begin with.

JMHO


14 posted on 12/27/2005 2:36:32 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: goldstategop
The human mind is perfectly capable of attaching complicated meanings to what should be kept simple.

And the mystery of life explained as the coming together of large numbers of amino acids and proteins, plenty of time, and random organization, which is about as likely as billions of monkeys typing away on typewriters eventually producing a dictionary, is SIMPLE???

Give me a break.


16 posted on 12/27/2005 2:38:29 PM PST by rundy
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To: dustedvinyl

There will always be people who will profit from either side of the arguement. Even if they have to be deceptive to do it.

We usually call them 'con' men. (or women)


17 posted on 12/27/2005 2:38:54 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: VadeRetro; PatrickHenry
... the alliance between fundamentalists or evangelical religion and right wing politics is a very troubling phenomenon

Sure is.

18 posted on 12/27/2005 2:39:52 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: narby

"real scientists are decoding the human and primate genomes and discovering how they work, and how the genome itself evolves."

Excellent, I can't wait for these "real scientists" to create life themselves and duplicate evolution. The imposter scientists who refute evolution are so obviously wrong.


19 posted on 12/27/2005 2:40:55 PM PST by bigcat32
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To: narby
While the IDers are crowing about their latest work of fiction sold on the 700 club, real scientists are decoding the human and primate genomes and discovering how they work, and how the genome itself evolves.

Right! And as soon as we find the failed species with three eyes and one ear and the deer with that extra set of eyes in the back of it's head we will show how stupid they are. /sarcasm >

20 posted on 12/27/2005 2:43:46 PM PST by Liberal Bob (http://looneyleft.com)
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