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To: ToryHeartland
senseless science vs. religion turmoil

Yes, and it has been a war on religion since prayer was removed from schools. Something that was practiced for ~150 years with the same Constitution. In any case, the science will stand if it is true. The mere fact that a label is not permitted because it establishes religion is evidence of the warfare in this nation. The Democrats like some of the 15%(or the 7% Republicans) of Americans choose to filibuster rather than accede to the wishes of the electorate. As the case in Pennsylvania shows, the people should decide, not the courts nor a minority. The outcome in Pennsylvania may not be final, however.

There exists no vehement assault on science in general, only on those areas that have claimed to have swept the field of competitors. Finally, as it is proper and fitting in a democratic form of government, all warfare should be decided at the ballot box, not in the streets or in the courts.

22 posted on 02/20/2006 6:26:30 AM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC
Yes, and it has been a war on religion since prayer was removed from schools. Something that was practiced for ~150 years with the same Constitution. In any case, the science will stand if it is true. The mere fact that a label is not permitted because it establishes religion is evidence of the warfare in this nation.

Too true. I've been trying to tell people this for a long time. There is, in general, a war of ideologies going on in this nation. It is being fought with pen and keyboard instead of sword and rifle, but it is a war nonetheless. That's why I've always advocated a take-no-prisoners approach to political discourse in our modern context. We can't afford to lose this one. The consequences of some of the vitriol and infighting are bad, but not nearly so bad as the consequences of losing the culture war. So don't hold anything back.
31 posted on 02/20/2006 6:38:13 AM PST by JamesP81
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To: AndrewC
it has been a war on religion since prayer was removed from schools. Something that was practiced for ~150 years with the same Constitution. In any case, the science will stand if it is true. The mere fact that a label is not permitted because it establishes religion is evidence of the warfare in this nation.

Thanks for your reply, which is thoughtful and interesting. And also illuminates for me some of the differences between the US and the UK on this one. The British Constitution does not separate church and state, the Church of England is the established religion (and the monarch is head of the church); achieving tolerance for other denominations and religions was a struggle in our history. Prayers in school are standard and uncontroversial -- but also, to be honest, ignored. Church attendance is 'poor' here compared to the US, but whether that is good or ill is another matter altogether.

150 posted on 02/20/2006 9:25:56 AM PST by ToryHeartland
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