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To: nmh
Surely you must admit that even the Bible NEVER claimed it was FLAT.

Actually, the bible, taken as a whole, is consistent with a flat-earth cosmology. This should be of no surprise, as this was the cosmology common in the Middle East at the time its authors wrote it. It is unsurprising that they had beliefs similar to their contemporaries and expressed that in their writings.

The Bible's references to the earth's four corners, its "foundations", about a tree so high that it could be seen from the furthest reaches of the Earth, a mountain so high that the ends of the earth could be seen by someone on the mountain, that the earth is fixed and immovable, that the heavens are a "vault" etc. are totally consistent with a flat earth cosmology. On the whole, they are inconsistent, without a great deal of interpretation and apologetics, with anything approaching the modern understanding.

Makes you wonder what they were reading when Galileo shocked them with the fact the earth was NOT flat.

Galileo's issue was professing belief in a heliocentric solar system, not a Earth roughly spherical in shape.

590 posted on 02/20/2006 4:32:59 PM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: WildHorseCrash

The Bible's references to the earth's four corners, its "foundations", about a tree so high that it could be seen from the furthest reaches of the Earth, a mountain so high that the ends of the earth could be seen by someone on the mountain, that the earth is fixed and immovable, that the heavens are a "vault" etc. are totally consistent with a flat earth cosmology.

BOOK AND VERSE PLEASE.
The Bible has proven conjecture to be fact more often than the reverse.


597 posted on 02/20/2006 4:45:31 PM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: WildHorseCrash
The Bible's references to the earth's four corners, its "foundations", about a tree so high that it could be seen from the furthest reaches of the Earth, a mountain so high that the ends of the earth could be seen by someone on the mountain, that the earth is fixed and immovable, that the heavens are a "vault" etc. are totally consistent with a flat earth cosmology. (emphasis mine)

Without context, your opinion of these references is rather meaningless, but even taking them at face value, the two that are underlined actually suggest the relationship of a [raised] point on a curve, rather than a [raised point on a straight line.

623 posted on 02/20/2006 5:26:30 PM PST by csense
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To: WildHorseCrash
On the whole, they are inconsistent, without a great deal of interpretation and apologetics, with anything approaching the modern understanding.

Kinda works into the poetic/literal thingy; eh?

853 posted on 02/21/2006 4:32:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: WildHorseCrash
The Bible's references to the earth's four corners, its "foundations", about a tree so high that it could be seen from the furthest reaches of the Earth, a mountain so high that the ends of the earth could be seen by someone on the mountain, that the earth is fixed and immovable, that the heavens are a "vault" etc. are totally consistent with a flat earth cosmology.

Just LOOK what comes along later!



NIV Revelation 21:9-27
 9.  One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb."
 10.  And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
 11.  It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal.
 12.  It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel.
 13.  There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west.
 14.  The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
 15.  The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls.
 16.  The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia  in length, and as wide and high as it is long.
 17.  He measured its wall and it was 144 cubits  thick,  by man's measurement, which the angel was using.
 18.  The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass.
 19.  The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald,
 20.  the fifth sardonyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. 
 21.  The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of pure gold, like transparent glass.
 22.  I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
 23.  The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
 24.  The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.
 25.  On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there.
 26.  The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 
 27.  Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
 

NIV Revelation 22:1-5
 1.  Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
 2.  down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.
 3.  No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.
 4.  They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.
 5.  There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.
 
Square or Cube?
 
Gonna be mighty large oysters, to get pearls THAT big!

858 posted on 02/21/2006 4:39:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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