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Russia/Georgia: Tensions Reach Record High
Radio Free Europe Radio Liberty ^ | Feb 23, 2006 | Jean-Christophe Peuch

Posted on 02/24/2006 8:08:34 AM PST by sergey1973

Tensions between Tbilisi and Moscow rose further this week with the latter saying it would indefinitely stop issuing entry visas for Georgian nationals and requesting that Prime Minister Zurab Noghaideli postpone a planned working visit to Russia. The new escalation comes days after Georgian lawmakers called for a review of the 1992 peace agreement that put an end to the war with South Ossetia and voted Russian peacekeepers out of the separatist republic.

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I believe that as Russia has a right to Defend its security and territorial integrity in Chechnya and N. Caucasus (without endorsing cruel strategy and tactics employed by Federal and local security forces), Georgia has a right to defend its own territorial integrity in Abkhazia and S Ossetia.

Putin regime acts avanturistically foolish by supporting separatist regimes of Abkhazia and S. Ossetia while fighting Islamist Separatist Terrorist insurgents in Chechnya and throughout North Caucasus just next door. This duplicity in policy will only further isolate Russia from it's neighbors. Putin regime seeks influence in Russia's neighborhood at any price without thinking of long-term consequences of his policies.

1 posted on 02/24/2006 8:08:36 AM PST by sergey1973
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2 posted on 02/24/2006 8:11:47 AM PST by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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3 posted on 02/24/2006 8:22:02 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: sergey1973

Putin is a douche bag.


4 posted on 02/24/2006 8:25:58 AM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME
Putin is a douche bag.

It is a shame that is the extent you can articulate your argument.
5 posted on 02/24/2006 8:28:12 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: GarySpFc

Wheres your KGB buddy x5452? Hard time logging in? LOL!


6 posted on 02/24/2006 9:09:25 AM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME
We are very well aware you and your group are psuedoconservatives. Today I caught one admitting he was involved with Soros. Keep up the good Open Society (anarchist) work.
7 posted on 02/24/2006 10:46:27 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: GarySpFc

Give me a break. I hate Soros and you are just making stuff up now.I just dislike Putin and his double talk and weapons sells to regimes that go completly against US foreign policy. I honestly think that Putin and the Duma form their foreign policy along the lines of"What are the Americans doing? Ok lets do opposite!" No and I dont want to hear about what you know is going on behind the scenes(which I think you are full of sh*t and are a putin bot) with Russia helping the US because quite frankly they support Syria,China,Iran, Hamas, Chavez,etc. The russian government and Putin can go to hell. They are a destabilizing force in the world.


8 posted on 02/24/2006 10:53:40 AM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME

I didn't say you were the one admitting you were a Soros supporter. However, it is obvious you and your group throw out cheap labels to brand people. In your case it is a matter of the truth be dammed, because your mind is already made up.


9 posted on 02/24/2006 11:00:06 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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Putin regime acts avanturistically foolish by supporting separatist regimes of Abkhazia and S. Ossetia while fighting Islamist Separatist Terrorist insurgents in Chechnya and throughout North Caucasus just next door. ==

Separatists and islamic insurgents are different things aren't them?

Problem is that abkhazians and osetians hates georgians and don't want thier rule.
The fact of matther is that if you may find a lot of pro-russian chechens who kill islamic insurgents in Chechnya without federal tropper involvement but you simply cann't find even several pro-georgian akhazs or osetians who might fight for Georgia cause.
All ostetian and and all abkhasians against Georgia rule. How you will solve this?

Both ethincities has thier kins and allies between small ethnicities of Northern Caucausus. SO even federal goverment will not support abkhasians and osetians them thier kins will do. Again lot of kazaks and osetians freewillers will go fight georgians.

Last thought: if it is OK that Kosovo should go to albanians then why it is not Ok that Akhazia and S.osetia should go to thier people.


10 posted on 02/24/2006 11:22:40 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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"Separatists and islamic insurgents are different things aren't them? "

They could be one and the same. BTW, Shamil Basayev started his terrorist-adventurist career during Georgia-Abkhazia war of 1992-1993 fighting on the Abkhazia separatist side. Chechen/N. Caucasian Islamic insurgency is also partly fueled by the desire of many locals to have their own independent of Russia (under Sharia Law). For now in North Caucasus there is a convergence of Islamist and Separatist goals.


11 posted on 02/24/2006 12:12:59 PM PST by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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"Last thought: if it is OK that Kosovo should go to albanians then why it is not Ok that Akhazia and S.osetia should go to thier people."

I'm against prying Kosovo away from Serbia. It creates a dangerous precedent of separatism. Some international security guarantees can be arranged for Albanians living in Kosovo, but I'm firmly against creating an Independent Kosovo. The last thing Europe needs is another crime-ridden Islamic state on it's underbelly. Too bad that many European leaders are too dumb to see the danger.



12 posted on 02/24/2006 12:15:22 PM PST by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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I'm against prying Kosovo away from Serbia. It creates a dangerous precedent of separatism.==

Common Serge. This precendent already well established.

The last thing Europe needs is another crime-ridden Islamic state on it's underbelly.==

It is already done too. So Kossovo been gone to albanians won't change nothing.
Serbs and albanians hate each other guts. SO they just cann't liv etogether. Either you allow one side or another clense out opposite party.
Same way with Abkhazia or Osetia. To make abkhasians and osetians live with gerogians you have to britallky subjugate them. Freely they won't do it noways. Too much bloods between them.


13 posted on 02/24/2006 12:34:56 PM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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Very astute observation - and the pettiness - one of them was gleeful when he thought the moderators had moved my threads into "Bloggers and Personal" - hate to disappoint him but I posted them there myself - cut out the middleman since all the trash talk gets most Russian-related threads relegated to B&P or the Smokey Back Room


14 posted on 02/24/2006 1:08:14 PM PST by Romanov
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"Putin and his double talk and weapons sells to regimes that go completly against US foreign policy"

To be honest though, we sell weapons to countries that go against Russian foreign policy. That's how diplomacy works.

"What are the Americans doing? Ok lets do opposite!"

Actually, what Putin (like most countries leaders) probably thinks is "what is best for my country?"

A responsible leader does what is best for their country, not for other countries.

By selling weapons, Russia is expanding it's influence, which is what we(the US) do too. Again, its just geopolitics and diplomacy.

Like most countries, Russia wants to be powerful so by selling weapons he is just advancing the role of Russia as an international power.

Putin is doing what he thinks is best for Russia.

yes, the weapons sales to countries like Iran are irksome, but I mean come on, how much does one SA-15 missile system to Iran or a few helicopters to Venezuela really alter the world military balance? It doesnt.

One HARM and the Iranian SA-15 is gone. It doesnt really threaten us.


15 posted on 02/24/2006 3:00:00 PM PST by Hill of Tara
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"I'm against prying Kosovo away from Serbia. It creates a dangerous precedent of separatism.== "

Not only that but Kosovo is the birthplace of the Serbian nation and was ethnically Serbian until a zillion Albanian muslim invaders took up residence there.

The albanian muslims have no right to be in Kosovo anyway they should go back to Albania or Pakistan or wherever.

This is an eloquent and interesting brief history of Kosovo from a Serb Aviation website:

"Kosovo and Metohija province is the birth place of Serbian nation. On that territory in XII century the first Serbian state was established. To date Serbian Orthodox Church have more than 1500 monasteries and churches in the province.
Some 600 years ago Islamic hordes invaded Christian Europe. They destroyed everything in their path. Those who refused to convert to Mohammedism suffered horrible fates. The Turkish invasion of Europe seemed unstoppable as they swept over everything in their path with fire and sword. Until they reached the Kosovo Plain.

For it was there that in 1389 some 77,000 Christian knights and soldiers met the Turks. All of them pledging to each other and to Christ that they would die rather than convert to Mohammedism and lose their liberty.

Giving their life's blood not just to save the freedom of Serbia, but of all Europe from the advance of Mohammed's enslaving hordes. When the battle was over the cream of Serbian manhood lay dead in great heaps on the blood drenched field along with their Prince. But their death did not come easy for the Muslims. These martyrs fought so heroically for their faith, exacting such a tremendous toll upon the Islamic soldiers,Turkish leader Emir Murad I was killed also, that the advance into the heart of Europe was halted.

Thenceforth Kosovo Field became to the Serbian people Acampo santo, The Holy Field. It is considered by many historians of the Christian Church to be the single greatest tomb of Christian martyrs killed in a single day.

Such is the history of Kosovo and Metohija and in the heart of Serbian people it's place is like the Alamo for the people of the USA."

http://www.dragan.freeservers.com/agresija/background.htm


16 posted on 02/24/2006 3:08:50 PM PST by Hill of Tara
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Putin=


17 posted on 02/24/2006 5:21:54 PM PST by Thunder90
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Can you prove yourself?

You know using childish namecalling prove nothing. What Putin do which can be called communist?
If you call him Degoll or Pinochet you will be near truth. But to call Putin a communist is laughable.


18 posted on 02/25/2006 1:05:19 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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19 posted on 02/25/2006 10:29:37 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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double talk and weapons sells to regimes that go completly against US foreign policy.

US because quite frankly they support Syria,China,Iran, Hamas, Chavez,

What, you mean like him meeting with Hamas? Wait a minute... UAE meets with Hamas, and we're told by the US foreign policy team that UAE is our FRIEND! Why different rules for Russia?

Our FRIEND UAE supports Syria too. Again, why different rules for Russia?

And China? Ever shop at Wal-Mart? Tell me WE don't support China.
20 posted on 02/25/2006 10:34:09 AM PST by BubbaTheRocketScientist
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