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Court OKs seizure of cash with high cocaine traces
Tribune Review ^ | Wednesday, March 08, 2006 | AP

Posted on 03/08/2006 10:00:00 AM PST by steel_resolve

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To: dirtboy
Demonstrate ONE CONNECTION to an actual allegation of criminality

He wasn't charged with a crime.

401 posted on 08/27/2006 8:36:37 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: dirtboy
"A lot of immigrants don't use banks."

Nothing wrong with taking that cash to a bank and getting a Cashier's Check. Or it he insists on carrying cash, exchanging it for larger denominations, making it easier to conceal. Or wiring it to a bank in Chicago where he could then withdraw it.

Lots of options.

402 posted on 08/27/2006 8:38:49 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: dirtboy
Meanwhile, you keep saying the evidentary burden of proof is on the defendent to show the money

The defendant was the money. Read the decision.

403 posted on 08/27/2006 8:39:10 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
He wasn't charged with a crime.

Here we go again with your circular arguments (I think this is the fourth time I've been by this point. I believe "So what?" comes next in your routine).

He wasn't charged with a crime. There was absolutely no linkage of this money to a crime. By the court's own precedent, they did not make a nexus between the money and criminal activity. Therefore, by their own precedent the money should have been returned.

404 posted on 08/27/2006 8:40:39 AM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: Mojave
The defendant was the money. Read the decision.

About the third time I've seen that one. You've demanded the person in question demonstrate the money was not obtained illegally. He gave explanations. Meanwhile, the government failed to connect the money to criminal activity, and failed to reach the evidentary standard of preponderance of the evidence. So the court simply threw out it's own precedent to lower that standard.

This decision is a lovely bookend to Kelo for you statist types.

405 posted on 08/27/2006 8:42:55 AM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: dirtboy
By the court's own precedent, they did not make a nexus between the money and criminal activity.

A minute ago you claimed it wasn't a "significant" nexus.

Having trouble keeping your story straight?

406 posted on 08/27/2006 8:43:03 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: robertpaulsen
Nothing wrong with taking that cash to a bank and getting a Cashier's Check.

Here we go again. Where in the federal register is it a crime to have a large sum of money in your possession?

407 posted on 08/27/2006 8:43:35 AM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: Mojave
A minute ago you claimed it wasn't a "significant" nexus.

Nitpicking pinhead. But that's all you have left. You have YET to demonstrate any kind of nexus to a criminal act, period. Drug residue on cash is not a valid nexus by the court's own precedent, which they ignored.

408 posted on 08/27/2006 8:44:35 AM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: dirtboy
So the court simply threw out it's own precedent to lower that standard.

The standard is the totality of the facts. You know, those things you keep ignoring.

We review any predicate factual findings for clear error, but the ultimate conclusion as to whether those facts establish a “substantial connection” between seized currency and a narcotics transaction is a mixed question of law and fact that we review de novo. See United States v. Dodge Caravan Grand SE/Sport Van, 387 -6- F.3d 758, 761 (8th Cir. 2004); United States v. $84,615 in U.S. Currency, 379 F.3d 496, 501 (8th Cir. 2004); see also United States v. $117,920.00 in U.S. Currency, 413 F.3d 826, 829 (8th Cir. 2005).

409 posted on 08/27/2006 8:45:41 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
The standard is the totality of the facts.

No, it's own precedent was a nexus to criminal activity. Read the dissent. With a cite to the precedent.

410 posted on 08/27/2006 8:46:30 AM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: dirtboy
You have YET to demonstrate any kind of nexus to a criminal act, period.

We therefore conclude that the government proved by a preponderance of the evidence that the defendant currency was substantially connected to a narcotics offense.

411 posted on 08/27/2006 8:47:51 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
"Prosecutors say Michael D. Bridge Jr., 41, was arrested with $2,100 in cash"

He claimed the cash was for the purchase of a used Ford Pinto that he heard about from a friend of the cousin of the next door neighbor who knew a guy that had one for sale .... but it was already sold.

412 posted on 08/27/2006 8:47:54 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: dirtboy

See United States v. Dodge Caravan Grand SE/Sport Van, 387 -6- F.3d 758, 761 (8th Cir. 2004); United States v. $84,615 in U.S. Currency, 379 F.3d 496, 501 (8th Cir. 2004); see also United States v. $117,920.00 in U.S. Currency, 413 F.3d 826, 829 (8th Cir. 2005).


413 posted on 08/27/2006 8:48:30 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: robertpaulsen
He claimed the cash was for the purchase of a used Ford Pinto that he heard about from a friend of the cousin of the next door neighbor who knew a guy that had one for sale .... but it was already sold.

$2000 for the Pinto and $100 for the mahogany veneer rifle rack.

414 posted on 08/27/2006 8:49:54 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave; dirtboy
If I'm ever arrested for anything, I want dirtboy on my jury. You, I don't want in the same state. No offense.
415 posted on 08/27/2006 8:50:06 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Mojave
"he was nervous about flying with that much money on him."

Only when flying from east to west -- it's kind of a Feng Shui thing with him.

416 posted on 08/27/2006 8:58:36 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Mojave
We therefore conclude that the government proved by a preponderance of the evidence that the defendant currency was substantially connected to a narcotics offense.

While violating their own precedent that said there had to be a nexus to actual criminal activity. Since you are unable to show such, you have no case. I'll leave you here to see if you can engage someone else in your circular logic tar-baby.

417 posted on 08/27/2006 9:00:53 AM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: dirtboy; robertpaulsen; Bozo
Mojave -- If I'm ever arrested for anything, I want dirtboy on my jury. You, I don't want in the same state. No offense.

At long last, paulsen comes up with a sentiment that most everyone on FR can agree with.

418 posted on 08/27/2006 9:07:27 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: dirtboy
"Where in the federal register is it a crime to have a large sum of money in your possession?"

It not a crime. Not even when that money is a very large amount of cash, consisting of bills of small denominations, with traces of cocaine residue, wrapped in aluminum foil, in a plastic bag, in a cooler, in the backseat of a car rented by a unknown individual (not the driver), driving 2000 miles from a "drug destination" state to a "drug source" state.

What it IS is suspicious and indicative of drug activity, especially when combined with other factors -- the main one being a believable explanation for it.

419 posted on 08/27/2006 9:13:32 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Mojave
"Your "logic" would provide a utopia for car thieves."

Put a cooler of cash in the trunk of that car and his "logic" also provides a utopia for drug traffickers.

420 posted on 08/27/2006 9:26:52 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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