Posted on 03/23/2006 9:33:42 AM PST by stand4somethin
yes I read it... it is on another post on FR right now about Bush wanting a civil debate. I want a civil debate as well as a civil de-fence. Haha... a word play on the Minutemen AND border fence.
That is a real nice article Force of One... real nice... real real...zzzzzzzzzzzz. Oh. Sorry I nodded off there. Anyhow, we are a couple weeks away from another rendevous between Bush and Fox. Hopefully they won't... uh... forget it. Hopefully President Bush will get focused on this problem. Right?
I believe he is.
" W has to take a stand on this (either way) because this is an election year and we need to know what is going on."
If he takes a stand it will be because conservatives pressure him to take a stand. That is the truth. As election time rolls around then Republican politicians momentarily pay attention to conservative elements within the party. Now is our chance to tell the Prez that the border problem is a big deal to us. Thats what I'm doin' here.
"Grabs hat, walks out the door"
don't let it hit you
The article you posted said nothing about the problem... it was a bunch of Mush so you won't feel as bad when you see Bush smooch V. Fox in a couple weeks.
don't let it hit you
It sure won't be you slamming it, you wouldn't live to tell.
It sure won't be you slamming it, you wouldn't live to tell.
ohhh.... vewy scawy... Sorry lil feller... I gotta call BS on ya
I don't recall that President Bush ever apologized for the "vigilante" allegation; I have to assume he still thinks that way, especially given his comments today where he urges "civil discussion" on HIS idea of "immigration reform."
HIS idea of immigration reform is let's give amnesty, and let me sit here and think for awhile about whether I believe we should enforce our laws or not.
President Bush continues to throw down "fightin' words" EVERY TIME he speaks about illegal immigration and the southern border.
Jobs Americans won't do... Jobs Americans don't want to do... Jobs Americans won't do...
Bush is dead wrong here. Since the government is unwilling to enforce the laws, we need citizens to get involved.
Vigilante Ping!
Please FReepmail me if you want on or off this South Texas/Mexico ping list.
Vigilantes is Spanish for Watchmen!
stand4something: since Jan. 6, 2006
Your basically preaching to the choir on this one but, you do know you can banned from this site for grandstanding and causing trouble! RIGHT? RIGHT? RIGHT?
The funny part is this lack of a comprehensive immigration/ border security policy also makes ANY argument for a WOT as well as "Homeland security" a total joke.
You simply can not stand there and spout off about how important the Homeland security or the WOT is....or how well it's going, when 10,000+ "unknowns" stream across our borders each week. You can not logically take the position he is taking.
It completely undermines any shred of credibility GWB might have once had.
Real nice.....
Now if we could get you to feel that way about illegal aliens instead of your fellow Americans we might be getting somewhere.
This is an old article. The poster, if being honest, would report it as such. Since this time, El Bush has received an ear full and hopefull has gotten rid of his knee jerk.
Here are his EXACT remarks:
Q (As translated.) Mr. Presidents and Mr. Prime Minister, I wanted to ask you what concrete actions do your governments want to lay out in order to make this partnership a reality as far as energy markets, which is a very critical issue for all of our countries -- energy markets? I also want to ask you in this security and prosperity partnership, when will you include the migratory, or immigration policy in this partnership?
And, President Bush, I wanted to ask you about your opinion about those people who are hunting migrant people along the border.
PRESIDENT BUSH: I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America. I'm for enforcing law in a rational way. That's why you got a Border Patrol, and they ought to be in charge of enforcing the border.
and
In terms of the border, listen, we've got a large border. We've got a large border with Canada, we've got a large border with Mexico. There are some million people a day crossing the border from Mexico to the United States, which presents a common issue, and that is, how do we make sure those crossing the border are not terrorists, or drug runners, or gun runners, or smugglers.
And I have told the President that we will -- I will continue to push for reasonable, common-sense immigration policy with the United States Congress. It is an issue with which I have got a lot of familiarity -- after all, I was the governor of this great state for six years and I dealt with this issue a lot, not only with President Fox's predecessors, but with governors of border states -- Mexican border states, Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon. And I know what -- I know the issue well. And I will continue to call upon Congress to be commonsensical about this issue.
And the basis of the policy is that if there is a job opening which an American won't do, in other words -- and there's a willing worker and a willing employer, that job ought to be filled on a legal basis, no matter where the person comes from. That makes sense. We need a compassionate policy. In other words, if this is in place, someone will be able to come and work from Mexico in the United States, and be able to go home -- back and forth across the border in a legal fashion. That seems to make sense to me. It's a commonsensical way of doing things.
I think we ought to have a policy that does not jeopardize those who've stood in line trying to become legal citizens. We want to reward those who have been patient in the process. There's plenty of Mexican citizens who have applied for citizenship, they should -- their position in line should not be preempted because of there's a worker program. But there's a better way to enforce our border. And one way is to be compassionate and decent about the workers who are coming here to the United States.
And, Mr. President, you've got my pledge, I'll continue working on it. You don't have my pledge that Congress will act, because I'm not a member of the legislative branch. But you will have my pledge that I will continue to push our Congress to come up with rational, common-sense immigration policy.
Not that anybody cares.
See my Post #9. I was the first to complain that the article was a year old and the date was most definately on the article when I read it because I checked it once I realized what I was reading which took about 10 seconds. And there are many other obvious historical clues in the article too. And the date of the article is embedded in the hypertext link and I checked that too.
I don't know if the post of an old article was an honest mistake or not.
I do know that I follow the immigration issue VERY closely and I have never seen an apology from the President or anybody else in the Administration and they have given nobody any reason to believe they have moderated their position on the immigration issue in general or the Minutemen specifically. The President's vigilante comments were echoed by other top level officials in the DHS and there were some active attempts by the Border Patrol leadership (but not the rank and file) to discredit the Minutemen and to downplay their success.
In his comments a few days ago, the President asked for a "civil debate" on the immigration issue. That is difficult when he has personally set such a negative tone with comments of this nature.
He was never misquoted. His remark was on TV and just google it, you'll see it. Here's followup from his spokesman later.
April 4, 2005
Q Scott, the President called the Minutemen in Arizona the same vigilantes that they were before -- I assume he still believes that. And -- but is there any change in his opinion, now that they've actually taken action out on the border this past weekend?
MR. McCLELLAN: I think the question that he was responding to was essentially suggesting that people taking things into their own hands and going after people who are trying to enter the country illegally. We remain concerned about -- well, first of all, if we're talking about people reporting suspicious activity to the proper authorities, that's one thing. And people, if they do see suspicious activity, should notify the proper authorities so that they can take action and go after those individuals. If we're talking about armed, untrained individuals who are seeking to take matters into their own hands, then that is a concern to us. And the reason why it is a concern is because it could lead to people getting hurt. And that's what we want to avoid.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/04/20050404-2.html
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