Fossil pictured here...
Posted on 04/05/2006 10:32:31 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
Gravity was a law before it became a theory.
PING! New Evo information thread...
Perhaps he's wondering why the stupid networks aren't carrying it. Give them a few weeks.
Makes one giddy just thinking about it. Why aren't continents throwing up bow waves in the ocean? Where is the wake? (OK, that's an Island in the Pacific.)
Exactly! LOL! But that's what you get when these people are so desparate...
Well, you do get a crapload of earthquakes from the fastest plates...fastest is the Tonga Microplate...which is why you see so many earthquakes all the time near Tonga.
The importance of the find isn't that it's a fish that can breathe air, it's the nature of the bone structures that indicate it was a bridge between them and land animals today.
Humans didn't evolve from lungfish. But they did (likely) evolve from this thing or something similar.
Disagree completely with their hypothesizing.
>>> All these fish are alive today, thus I'm wondering what the significance of this find is.
Bump
No problem. But its the kind of theory against which it is best not to bet the rent money.
Here are some definitions (from a google search, with additions from this thread):
Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses." Addendum: "Theories do not grow up to be laws. Theories explain laws." (Courtesy of VadeRetro.)
Theory: A scientifically testable general principle or body of principles offered to explain observed phenomena. In scientific usage, a theory is distinct from a hypothesis (or conjecture) that is proposed to explain previously observed phenomena. For a hypothesis to rise to the level of theory, it must predict the existence of new phenomena that are subsequently observed. A theory can be overturned if new phenomena are observed that directly contradict the theory. [Source]
When a scientific theory has a long history of being supported by verifiable evidence, it is appropriate to speak about "acceptance" of (not "belief" in) the theory; or we can say that we have "confidence" (not "faith") in the theory. It is the dependence on verifiable data and the capability of testing that distinguish scientific theories from matters of faith.
Hypothesis: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was accepted in chemical practices."
Proof: Except for math and geometry, there is little that is actually proved. Even well-established scientific theories can't be conclusively proved, because--at least in principle--a counter-example might be discovered. Scientific theories are always accepted provisionally, and are regarded as reliable only because they are supported (not proved) by the verifiable facts they purport to explain and by the predictions which they successfully make. All scientific theories are subject to revision (or even rejection) if new data are discovered which necessitates this.
Law: a generalization that describes recurring facts or events in nature; "the laws of thermodynamics."
Model: a simplified representation designed to illuminate complex processes; a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; a physical or mathematical representation of a process that can be used to predict some aspect of the process.
Speculation: a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence). When a scientist speculates he is drawing on experience, patterns and somewhat unrelated things that are known or appear to be likely. This becomes a very informed guess.
Guess: an opinion or estimate based on incomplete evidence, or on little or no information.
Assumption: premise: a statement that is assumed to be true and from which a conclusion can be drawn; "on the assumption that he has been injured we can infer that he will not to play"
Impression: a vague or subjective idea in which some confidence is placed; "his impression of her was favorable"; "what are your feelings about the crisis?"; "it strengthened my belief in his sincerity"; "I had a feeling that she was lying."
Opinion: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty.
Observation: any information collected with the senses.
Data: factual information, especially information organized for analysis or used to reason or make decisions.
Fact: when an observation is confirmed repeatedly and by many independent and competent observers, it can become a fact.
Religion: Theistic: 1. the belief in a superhuman controlling power, esp. in a personal God or gods entitled to obedience and worship. 2. the expression of this in worship. 3. a particular system of faith and worship.
Religion: Non-Theistic: The word religion has many definitions, all of which can embrace sacred lore and wisdom and knowledge of God or gods, souls and spirits. Religion deals with the spirit in relation to itself, the universe and other life. Essentially, religion is belief in spiritual beings. As it relates to the world, religion is a system of beliefs and practices by means of which a group of people struggles with the ultimate problems of human life.
Belief: any cognitive content (perception) held as true; religious faith.
Faith: the belief in something for which there is no material evidence or empirical proof; acceptance of ideals, beliefs, etc., which are not necessarily demonstrable through experimentation or observation. A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny.
Dogma: a religious doctrine that is proclaimed as true without proof.
Based on these, evolution is a theory. CS and ID are beliefs.
[Last revised 2/23/06]
Re your tagline "Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius."
Fossil pictured here...
So, someone has actually observed something rise from nothing, observed life rise from non-life, observed multi-celled organisms rise from single-celled organisms, observed intelligence rise from non-intelligence? You've got yourself a scoop there, buddy.
And who's to say that this Tiktak, or whatever it's called, gave rise to anything? Where's the proof that this seemingly intermediary species is something more than simply some dead-end that went extinct, that it isn't related to any existing specie? The blindspot of the evolutionists is that they assume their speculation is fact, and then interpret new evidence from that assumption. Their conclusions are corrupted by their biased speculation.
This isn't science; it's wishful thinking.
Yawn.
I worded that badly, but I still stand by what I wrote. Hardly anyone will hear about this because it's not that big a story. You won't see constant media coverage to the point of a massive terrorist attack like you would if this was anything big, hell it would be lucky to get a 30-second spot on CNN headline news. It's not a slam against evolution or anything, but it's not a big discovery.
Hmmm, so you are hoping that you are a descendant of a fish?
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