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American Idol 2006--Live Thread (Part III)
Fox ^ | 5-8-06

Posted on 05/08/2006 4:22:13 AM PDT by silent_jonny

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To: Wolfstar; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; misterrob; All
interview NBC

This is an interview of Elliott that is making the rounds and I wanted to share it here, for anyone who missed it.

From it, I was able to add another moment to my collection of "Elliottisms" as, just after he speaks about Stevie Wonder being his favorite, he kind of looks off to the right and quickly scrunches up his face in a moment of apparent joy or goofiness. Maybe his mom or girlfriend standing over there...but it's hard to think that anyone could call this young guy ugly or funny-looking.

He's adorable, and his kids will be too.

3,201 posted on 05/13/2006 9:48:30 PM PDT by MarMema (Buy Danish, support freedom)
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To: Ciexyz
If Kat sings "Over the Rainbow", I'm gonna puke.

ROFL, I have to find a way to watch this, even though I wasn't going to. Finding out that Simon chose this for her was among the best laughs I have had in a few days.

3,202 posted on 05/13/2006 9:51:10 PM PDT by MarMema (Buy Danish, support freedom)
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To: Ciexyz

What I was referring to was text messages that do not show up on people's bills. I guess they text then go back and keep re-sending the same message. No record of the messages on their bill though.


3,203 posted on 05/13/2006 10:15:24 PM PDT by misterrob (Jack Bauer has Elliott Yamin on his MP3 player)
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To: Ciexyz
...as graffiti falls from ceiling.

I'd pay money to see that! :)

3,204 posted on 05/13/2006 10:19:36 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (Kelo must GO!! ..... http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
I'd pay money to see that! :)

hahaha I thought the same thing. :)

3,205 posted on 05/13/2006 10:21:17 PM PDT by Netizen (Taylor--he sings, writes his own songs, plays instruments, has charisma, and he's the whole package.)
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To: Ciexyz

I don't buy it. Verizon and SBC are each getting upwards of 120 million or more calls on voting night which is a massive traffic spoke that the local exchanges cannot handle. Even if you estimate that 20% of votes are text and 48 million votes went through last week then less than 40 million calls made it through out of 200 million landline calls. Since AI doesn't own the network and the results are audited by an outside firm it would stand to gain that it is hard for them to cheat here. Someone always talks and if there was cheating then we would have heard it by now.

Still...80% of landline votes are not getting through with my quick analysis. If the voting between Taylor and Chris was even 150K apart then that is seriously close.


3,206 posted on 05/13/2006 10:35:36 PM PDT by misterrob (Jack Bauer has Elliott Yamin on his MP3 player)
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To: misterrob
and the results are audited by an outside firm

That's news to me. Who is the outside firm?

3,207 posted on 05/13/2006 10:48:13 PM PDT by Netizen (Taylor--he sings, writes his own songs, plays instruments, has charisma, and he's the whole package.)
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To: Netizen

It's a British company I believe. Name escapes me at the moment. They are the ones who monitor the results.


3,208 posted on 05/13/2006 10:57:33 PM PDT by misterrob (Jack Bauer has Elliott Yamin on his MP3 player)
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To: Netizen

AT&T, along with Telescope UK tabulate the votes....


3,209 posted on 05/13/2006 10:59:15 PM PDT by misterrob (Jack Bauer has Elliott Yamin on his MP3 player)
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To: misterrob

More:

Distorted 'American Idol' voting due to an overtaxed American phone grid?


By Wade Paulsen, 05/18/2004

After the shocking ousters of favored contestants LaToya London and Jennifer Hudson, leaving three less-talented teenagers in pursuit of victory in Fox's American Idol 3, a review of Idol's voting system was probably to be expected. What wasn't expected was the degree of chaos and error present in the system as currently constituted -- and the fact that the Idol producers have been aware of the problems for a long time but seem instead to have embraced the windfall that the chaos creates for one of Idol's sponsors.

The major controversy in the ouster of LaToya revolved around the fact that Jasmine Trias, the 17-year-old Hawaiian who gave two dismal performances during the show's "Disco Night," wasn't even in the bottom two. On Thursday of last week, Verizon (the legacy phone carrier cobbled together from the merger of the former NYNEX, Bell Atlantic and GTE networks) reported that Hawaii, with its 1.2 million residents, cast more Idol votes, 1.3 million, than any other state within Verizon's coverage area except for California and New York -- two states that dwarf Hawaii's population. By contrast, New Jersey, with a population of 8.6 million (over seven times Hawaii's size), cast only 1.2 million votes.

The first reactions to Verizon's information were discussions about Hawaiian pride in Jasmine (as in this E! Online article), which seems to be the result that Verizon, which is planning to sell its Hawaiian grid, intended. On second look, however, these numbers reveal a deep problem that runs to the roots of Idol -- the ability of a small number of "power voters" to distort the weekly results, making the show less appealing to the majority of viewers.

Verizon also reported that Hawaiians tried to cast 5 million votes, meaning that 3.8 million calls (presumably overwhelmingly for Jasmine) failed to get through -- or, looking at it from the other side, only 24% of the calls placed by potential Hawaiian voters resulted in votes being cast. The high volume of calls placed (over 4 per resident -- and we doubt that everybody in Hawaii is voting) and the high number of incomplete calls raises questions about WHY Idol has opted for such a voting system.

Broadcasting & Cable Magazine reports that phone industry sources say that the chaos resulting from the number of phone calls placed to Idol is simply inevitable in an overtaxed voice system. Who benefits? The cellular phone company that provides Idol's text messaging services: AT&T Wireless.

As we previously reported, the Idol 2 finale vote between Clay Aiken and Ruben Studdard produced 230 million calls -- of which only 21.5 million, or 9.3%, got through. However, in text messaging calls, for which AT&T Wireless charges 10 cents a pop, 2.5 million got through -- representing every call that was placed.

Of course, text messaging takes up much less bandwidth than voice telephony. Nevertheless, because Fox has not taken any public action to discourage "power dialers," it has permitted the creation of a logjam in the voice phone system, seemingly in hopes of pushing voters to text phones.

A year ago, Idol producers acknowledged that about 100 "phreaks" using autodialer systems were attempting to cast thousands of votes for their favorite candidates. Although the producers claimed that they reserved the right to remove all the votes cast by anyone who tried to cast significantly more than 500 voted (a claim that producer Ken Warwick recently repeated to MTV), the fact remains that "power dialers" can tie up the voice network and make sure that everyone else trying to call gets busy signals -- and even humans trying to place 500-600 votes in two hours are expressing a degree of fanatacism that makes the votes of most show viewers irrelevant to the outcome.

In addition, Broadcast & Cable reports that a well-known tech expert "laughed" when he heard Idol producers say that there were only 100 or so "phreaks" attempting to influence the voting. Instead, he claimed that there were "thousands upon thousands of moderately tech-savvy fans who really get emotionally compelled to do something about who they want to win. It could be anybody with a computer, a modem, and a phone line." So much for simple fixes.

So why does Idol permit such a blatant distortion in the vote totals? Why not use the Internet, as CBS did with its recent Survivor $1 million prize? Warwick defends not using the Web by telling MTV that "people generally have to leave their television sets to vote on the Internet, [and since that means they're] not watching the rest of the contestants, therefore, it's not fair" -- ignoring the obvious facts that (1) at least for East Coast and Central viewers, who see the show live, the poll can be timed to not appear on the Web until after Idol ends, and (2) the "millions of voters" that he claims try to cast phone votes during the show's live airing aren't watching it either. We presume that this statement shouldn't be taken as a reflection of Warwick's intelligence, just as an indication of his lack of skill at prevarication.

A simple alternative would be to limit the number of votes cast per person -- but that would make AT&T's text messaging franchise fairly worthless. Indeed, we wonder if the consequence of an article like this one isn't just to encourage the people who really, really care about the outcome to turn to text messaging, increasing AT&T's windfall. However, the consequence of this problem for Fox may be that people who care but don't really, really care decide to turn the show off instead.

Maybe now we know why NBC has decided to directly target American Idol 4 with its upcoming series The Contender.


3,210 posted on 05/13/2006 11:03:29 PM PDT by misterrob (Jack Bauer has Elliott Yamin on his MP3 player)
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To: misterrob

Telescope.


3,211 posted on 05/14/2006 12:20:16 AM PDT by MarMema (Buy Danish, support freedom)
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To: Netizen
American Idol Voting Scandal, Constantine Maroulis’ Fans Demand Recount!

"According to an article in American Idol the Magazine, the American Idol vote counting is actually managed by a woman named Sandy King who works for a company called Telescope. American Idol the Magazine says that Sandy makes sure “each and every vote you cast is counted.” However, the article also talks about how Sandy monitors the results for power dialing. According to a blurb that flashes across the screen at the end of every American Idol episode, “Production will have in place weekly monitoring procedures designed to prevent individuals from unfairly influencing the outcome of the voting by generating significant blocks of votes using technical enhancements. The producers reserve the right to remove any identified “power dialing” votes.”

3,212 posted on 05/14/2006 12:25:12 AM PDT by MarMema (Buy Danish, support freedom)
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To: gopheraj

mark


3,213 posted on 05/14/2006 5:54:22 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: MarMema

Folks,

I'm into a joke as any of my fellow drinking buddies.

But let's be fair to Kat. She has a very lovely and I might add -- WELL TRAINED voices on the show.

I have been through voice lesson myself and I can detect it when I hear it. The two girls who have had years of voice lessons are Kat and the dearly departed Ayla Brown.

My main beef with Kat is her irritating tendency to add a lot of melismatic variations on a song where none is required. Last week was prime example. She should've just plain sang CAN'T HELP FALLING IN LOVE. But no, she does a lot of gymnastics.

That is why Simon said what he said and much as I dislike the guy, I have to agree with him. He wanted aplle pie and what he got was apple pie with a lot of coating on top. She so oversang it that the song become practically unrecognizable.

I hope she learns to navigate the happy medium with OVER THE RAINBOW. But really, she has a good voice. She and Paris had the best pre-Hollywood auditions ever. In fact, her Hollywood audition version of Diane Warwick's hit -- I KNOW I'LL NEVER LOVE THIS WAY AGAIN was SUPERB in my book.

That she should have outlasted Chris is another matter.


3,214 posted on 05/14/2006 6:53:02 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot
"My main beef with Kat is her irritating tendency to add a lot of melismatic variations on a song where none is required"

I seem to recall Simon telling her during the Hollywood cattle call that "less is more" when Kat oversang a tune.

3,215 posted on 05/14/2006 7:08:59 AM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: BamaDi

I am so far behind in posts! Hope you're feeling better!!


3,216 posted on 05/14/2006 7:27:24 AM PDT by retrokitten (www.retrosrants.blogspot.com)
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To: silent_jonny
"I was Miss December, 1956"

LMAO!! I love Skinner's mom! "You're Gimmble's, Marge!"

3,217 posted on 05/14/2006 7:28:40 AM PDT by retrokitten (www.retrosrants.blogspot.com)
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To: SirLinksalot
He wanted aplle pie and what he got was apple pie with a lot of coating on top. She so oversang it that the song become practically unrecognizable.

That's why I was laughing about his choice for Tuesday. He handed her an empty pie pan.

3,218 posted on 05/14/2006 8:32:42 AM PDT by MarMema (Buy Danish, support freedom)
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To: SirLinksalot

RUMOR

Some are saying that Clive's pick for Taylor is Mark Cohn's 'Walking in Memphis'


3,219 posted on 05/14/2006 8:41:28 AM PDT by Netizen (Taylor--he sings, writes his own songs, plays instruments, has charisma, and he's the whole package.)
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To: Ciexyz
The producers will determine the outcome based upon who they think will sell the most product.

They will, anyway. But they might use the number of votes coming in to help with the decision-making process.

3,220 posted on 05/14/2006 9:00:55 AM PDT by MarMema (Buy Danish, support freedom)
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