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Terri's Day and nation's independence protects life culture
Renew America ^ | May 29, 2006 | Kevin Fobbs

Posted on 05/30/2006 11:14:37 AM PDT by KevinNuPac

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To: 8mmMauser
>> You mmmean our visitor is not sincerely of good will?

I started to wonder when he tried to sell me boy scout cookies.

181 posted on 06/11/2006 4:17:54 AM PDT by T'wit (This moment of peace and quiet is brought to you by St. Fu, patron saint of sweet silence.)
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To: T'wit

Well I'll be... And here I just thought the poor visitor just hadn't had an update in the last sixteen years. News is slow in some parts, you know.


182 posted on 06/11/2006 4:18:46 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Dante3
>> If Florida removed Judge Renke, it certainly should go after Judge Greer whose violations are far greater.

I think he should be exiled, maybe to St. Helena where they put Napoleon once upon a time. Greer has a Napoleon complex, so it would be a good place for him.

Napoleon in guarded exile on St. Helena

183 posted on 06/11/2006 4:30:17 AM PDT by T'wit (This moment of peace and quiet is brought to you by St. Fu, patron saint of sweet silence.)
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To: 8mmMauser

As I said in my previous post, because of this thread I did become serious about finding out more about the issue. I wouldn't have spent the time looking at the court papers if I was not. Obviously, those on this thread, including you, are just going to view me as a troll. In light of the last few posts about me, it is not worth continuing this discussion. Have a nice day.


184 posted on 06/11/2006 4:37:27 AM PDT by killjoy (Same Shirt, Different Day)
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To: killjoy

Buh bye


185 posted on 06/11/2006 4:38:47 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: T'wit

Somebody maybe could make a reservation for one at The Briars. But it is too touristy now. Not many islands off Florida isolated anymore either, but maybe some hammock in the Everglades...


186 posted on 06/11/2006 4:48:11 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: T'wit

LOL


187 posted on 06/11/2006 6:19:18 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: killjoy
Some of us have become perhaps oversensitive to certain comments. You would've understood it better if you had seen the horrific comments made about Terri while she was still alive - comments so vulgar the moderators deleted them from the threads. Terri's supporters were mocked over and over again and had vindictive slogans hurled at them.

The brutal manner she and her family were treated by her estranged husband and Judge Greer and the way she was killed is a real life horror story. When a little boy tried to bring her water because he felt sorry for her, he was actually handcuffed and taken to the police station. German, of all countries, offered to care for her for free, but Michael turned it down. It is the totality of the situation that makes statements, such as "get over it," no matter how meant, appear at best insensitive. It is not always easy to differentiate between someone who simply wants more information to someone who just wants to pick a fight. I know of good people who have received wrong information regarding Terri from the MSM.

188 posted on 06/11/2006 6:48:19 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: floriduh voter

Thanks for the note. I understand. I'm waiting for June's book.


189 posted on 06/11/2006 6:55:01 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: killjoy
As I said in my previous post, because of this thread I did become serious about finding out more about the issue. I wouldn't have spent the time looking at the court papers if I was not.

Since you've looked over the court papers, perhaps you can say what evidence exists of Terri's desire to be fatally dehydrated?

Regardless of whether or why judges found such evidence credible, do you find it credible given the knowledge of everything that has transpired since that evidence was heard?

To conclude that Terri, without a doubt, wanted to be fatally dehydrated, one would have to either be aware of some evidence that I am not (possible--if you are aware of such, maybe you can fill me in) or else draw a number of inferences which stretch credulity to the point of ridiculousness.

I think one of the difficulties many people have with this case is that it can be hard to acknowledge the existence of great evil. Given a choice between believing that many thousands of people are lying about what went on in World War II death camps, or believing that a country could be so evil as to slaughter millions of people in such facilities, many people would rather believe the former (thus the existence of Holocaust-deniers). Likewise, people find it easier to disbelieve all the evidence showing that Michael and Felos are sadistic monsters than to believe that anyone could really be as evil as the evidence would suggest Michael and Felos to be.

I'd like to think that Michael and Felos were doing the right thing. But I cannot come up with any explanation for their behavior which is consistent with such a hypothesis. If the conditions necessary to justify their broader actions existed, many of their specific actions would have made no sense. If you can come up with a consistent overall explanation that does not involve Michael being either psychopathic or delusional, I'd like to hear it.

190 posted on 06/11/2006 2:06:13 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: bjs1779; floriduh voter; amdgmary; All
My previous post #142 of the Cheryl Ford email included a clip which I was unable to link up at the time and now it is resolved. I uploaded the video clip from Cheryl Ford so it can be viewed from my website. It is in the QuickTime format.

Cheryl warns about the emotional content of this clip, and it touches me and Floriduh voter and other freepers at the vigil pretty hard because we were right there as this event unfolded.

I have been called a liar and less printable names for repeating what we lived through that horrible time, the time they pulled the plug on poor Terri and commenced her slow and painful execution. At the short time before this interview, we had heard first hand from an excited eyewitness that unequivocally a cop heard Terri cry out her phrase and that eyewitness said the cop could not deny it. He denied anyway. You can hear for yourselves how quickly they buried the truth just moments later. Here is the clip:

Attorney Weller interview

That moment sears into memory and brings to mind the White Rose once again.

"We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."

8mm

191 posted on 06/11/2006 6:02:34 PM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: killjoy

I'm sorry to hear that you're so far away : (

How old is Grandma? I hope that somehow you can make it home to see her. (((hugs)))


192 posted on 06/11/2006 6:28:22 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: 8mmMauser
I have been called a liar and less printable names for repeating what we lived through that horrible time, the time they pulled the plug on poor Terri and commenced her slow and painful execution.

Thanks 8mm. More than you know.

193 posted on 06/11/2006 6:34:47 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; Abby4116; Alissa; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; ...
Baby Daniel, Andrea Clark, Mrs. Vo, Sylvia's sister, all shared in common a fight for life against the State seeking their deaths. They all came to confrontation with a State of Texas Law, the Futile Care Law.

Whether misinterpreted or by intent, this is a Texas Death Penalty for the useless eater innocents. Perhaps with outcry it can change.

Here is what Andrea Clark's family say. It is linked to the update I posted yesterday on baby Daniel:

..................

On Jun 11, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Melanie Childers wrote:

Leslie,

I recently cleaned out my purse.  In it, I found the
information on the lady that joined us in protesting
in front of St. Luke's Hospital in Houston, when they
were trying to kill my sister:

Sylvia Garza's sister was in the hospital (St. Luke's
Episcopal) with pneumonia for 3.5 weeks and developed
sepsis (an infection in the blood, just like Andrea)
and the doctors recommended to the family that she be
taken off of life support.  Sylvia's sister, who had
never drank or smoked in her life, was 62 years old.
Her brain was functioning normally, but doctors didn't
think that she could survive the sepsis.  They
"counseled" the family to take her off of the
respirator and the family reluctantly agreed.

The doctors gave her shots of morphine (which are
known to depress respiratory function) and took her
off of the respirator.  Ms. Garza's sister lived,
breathing on her own, FOR EIGHTEEN HOURS.  This is
with morphine pumped into her, to depress her
respiratory system and with NO VENTILATOR, to help her
to breath.  When her doctor was approached by Mrs.
Garza, the patient's sister, and asked, "I thought my
sister was going to die very peacefully and quickly
once you removed the respirator?" the doctor replied
that the patient was just "very strong."

If she's so STRONG, WHY DIDN'T THEY GIVE HER A CHANCE
TO LIVE?  Why pump her full of morphine and take her
off the respirator?  Clearly, this patient had a
chance!  Clearly, this patient could have made it!

Mrs. Garza's email is:  TDWFB@aol.com  Her phone
number is:  281-265-4207.  She has a list of the
doctors involved in this.  This is clearly murder and
since the doctors (this happened three years ago)
didn't even convene an ethics meeting, they are
legally and criminally liable.  This is a woman who
was willing, after she saw the news that we were going
to protest in front of the hospital, to come out and
help us protest, because of what they had done to her
sister.  This might be someone who can speak out, as
well, against what these murderers are doing.

8mm


194 posted on 06/12/2006 3:01:19 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Lesforlife
Les, this situation echoes what happened to us personally a short while back, to what happened to my friend Uncle Johnny Costa. The doctors had convinced the family his heart was weak and he just couldn't make it and he was taken off life support. He was supposed to just expire quickly, a feeble exit. But to their horror like in this case of Sylvia's sister, he clung on to life, struggled to live, for days and days while being drugged at increased doses. Then the doctors explained that his failing fragile heart was really a strong heart. Clearly it was too late, as he slipped (was pushed) deeper into a spiral of death.

Likewise we were told Terri's feeble health and heart could barely carry on, yet she lasted an incredible thirteen days after her execution began.

This scenario must play out a whole lot, largely unreported.

8mm

195 posted on 06/12/2006 3:08:57 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
It is happening in Australia...

Adelaide, Australia (LifeNews.com) -- A family is embroiled in a feud over a 31 year-old man injured in an automobile accident that left him comatose. Doctors say they have no more hope for Mark Leigep's condition to improve and his mother wants a feeding tube supplying him with food and water to be removed.

But, Mark's brother Brian Leigep disagrees with the doctors and says he sees Mark's condition improving.

Leigep suffered head injuries as a result of the March 26 accident and doctors say scans show no sign of improvement. His mother, Joanne Dunn, who newspaper reports indicate did not raise him, is siding with physicians who want to remove the feeding tube.

Australia Automobile Accident Victim in Terri Schiavo-like Family Debate

8mm

196 posted on 06/12/2006 3:11:55 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; floriduh voter
Florida politics...

Four of the most frequent absentees in Congress are from Florida. They say they were doing work that benefits their constituents or had demands on their personal lives.

Snip...

Like Hastings, Davis pointed out that he participated in the most important debates that have come before Congress over immigration, stem-cell research and tax cuts. Davis spearheaded opposition to Republican efforts to keep a severely brain-damaged woman, Terri Schiavo, alive. The day he skipped the vote on phone-records fraud, he announced an endorsement for his gubernatorial campaign from the woman's husband, Michael Schiavo.

Four Florida Congress members on most-missed-votes list

8mm

197 posted on 06/12/2006 3:17:37 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
If she's so STRONG, WHY DIDN'T THEY GIVE HER A CHANCE TO LIVE?

Satan is pleased when a victim like this poor woman is placed in such a "trying" situation. Patients like her are victims of needle-wielding terrorists. Imagine the temptation to despair when you realize that your doctors and nurses are taking steps to kill you, rather than heal you.

I'm certain that Michael Schiavo must have been aware that he was using medical employees to push Terri toward despair. Schiavo is guilty of killing Terri's body, but, even more guilty of trying to kill her soul. My-kill and other enthusiastic euthanasiacs are guilty of attempting to kill the "love of life" and human spirit of those outsiders who are aware of what is going on, too.

Lazy doctors who believe in killing their patients don't invent or discover medical advancements. They are dead-enders.

198 posted on 06/12/2006 6:22:16 AM PDT by syriacus (Which humans does Gore accuse of causing the Ice sheets to retreat from Wisconsin?)
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To: 8mmMauser
This scenario [killing strong patients] must play out a whole lot, largely unreported.

I am tempted to think that, somewhere, a Mengele-like researcher is busily collecting data on the protracted deaths of patients like these.

Serial killers keep momentos.

199 posted on 06/12/2006 6:27:43 AM PDT by syriacus (Which humans does Gore accuse of causing the Ice sheets to retreat from Wisconsin?)
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To: 8mmMauser
We will continue to tell the truth even in the face of really big liars in empty suits who continue to protect criminals in black robes.

Baseball Caps and Tennis Shoes armed with the Truth.

Will Travel.

200 posted on 06/12/2006 9:19:50 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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