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Terri's Day and nation's independence protects life culture
Renew America ^ | May 29, 2006 | Kevin Fobbs

Posted on 05/30/2006 11:14:37 AM PDT by KevinNuPac

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1 posted on 05/30/2006 11:14:42 AM PDT by KevinNuPac
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To: KevinNuPac

So do they think Katrina & 9/11 were punishment from God to account for the sin of abortion, etc?


2 posted on 05/30/2006 11:17:34 AM PDT by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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3 posted on 05/30/2006 11:20:29 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Down With Half-Assery!)
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Thanks for posting. Ignore those who have nothing better to do than to post snarky comments on threads I thought they didn't even care about. How hard is it to stay off a thread you are not supposed to care about? Apparently quite hard for some people.

Anyway, many people do care about the right to life. So once again, thanks for posting.

4 posted on 05/30/2006 1:07:39 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: yellowdoghunter; KevinNuPac

Bump for Terri's Legacy


5 posted on 06/05/2006 2:41:54 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; Abby4116; Alissa; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; ...
Karen Ward, RN discusses in North Country Gazette...

NHPCO Board of Directors for 2006, includes Mary Labyak, who is also affiliated with the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, the same hospice where Terri Schiavo was housed for several years, before her food and fluids were halted to cause her death. Several other "right to die" proponents are listed under the board directors in various functions. Labyak from the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast also serves as national director and treasurer. http://www.nhpco.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3291&openpage=3291

The same Mary Labyak slated to attend a symposium at UPENN on end of life in May of 2006, along with Judge Greer of the Terri Schiavo case, Dr. Ronald Cranford of the Terri Schiavo case and numerous other cases involving feeding tube controversy, Jay Wolfson of the Terri Schiavo case, Art Caplan, the bioethicist at UPENN, Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband who had her feeding tube successfully removed to cause her death, and other euthanasia proponents. The topic was Terri Schiavo, of course. There were no speakers for oppositional views, so there was no balanced information coming out of that affair, but rather a totally biased and opinionated conference on end of life that encompasses assisted suicide and euthanasia.

Myra Christopher, Euthanasia and The Healthcare Connection - PART 9

8mm


6 posted on 06/05/2006 2:53:26 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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PINELLAS COUNTY---In Florida, electronic mail or "e-mail" has been determined to be public records subject to the state's Public Records Law.

Pat Gleason, an assistant attorney general and Sunshine Law expert, says there's no exception in the law for conversations or meetings conducted through e-mail.

So how come the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office is trying to block public access to the email messages of Michael Schiavo who claims to be a nursing supervisor---a policy setting position---at the Pinellas County Jail?

Schiavo E-Mails Subject To Public Review

8mm

7 posted on 06/05/2006 2:54:05 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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From ProLifeBlogs...

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The point where support for Terri fell the most was when the cameras showed images of Terri Schiavo to the world. The public saw someone who was unmistakably alive but unmistakably having a "low quality of life". Most felt that it was not worth being alive in those circumstances. Suddenly, it didn't matter what Michael Schiavo's motivations were or his conflict of interest. He was making the "right" decision to end a life not worth living.

It is known that the abortion movement grew out of the eugenics movement and it should come as no surprise that the husband of the lawyer who litigated Roe v Wade lobbied Bill Clinton to approve RU-486, not for easy access to abortion or women's rights, but because "twenty-six million food stamp recipients is (sic) more than the economy can stand." It isn't about life, it is about a productive life (in Ron Weddington's case, where the financial output is greater than the input).

This can also been seen in the recent burst of "futile care" cases (where hospitals unilaterally decide who should die independent of the families wishes or objections). While few would argue that those who are alive only with the help of life support equipment (i.e. respirators, not a feeding tube) can be "unplugged", futile care laws have been used to try to kill children, including a child perfectly able to heal, the uninsured, and Katrina evacuees that were "no worth moving". With talk of universal health care, one wonders if that will finally put complete control on whether (poor) patients should be left untreated.

The Economics of Life

8mm

8 posted on 06/05/2006 2:54:15 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Whoa, now back up. Greer, a sitting JUDGE, was there? That throws his supposed impartiality (cough) out the window for all future cases.
9 posted on 06/05/2006 4:42:09 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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10 posted on 06/05/2006 8:54:56 AM PDT by BykrBayb ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest." )
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>> That throws his supposed impartiality (cough) out the window...

Hehehehe :-)

It isn't only future cases. He compromised himself on the key case of Terri Schindler-Schiavo, and that's far more important. Greer has compromised Michael, his lawyers, the death doctors and everyone else on the Death team. He doesn't know it but he just stabbed all the Death Cult polemicists in the back. They will never again be able to argue impartiality and due process.

Are you listening, Michael Hirsh? You got suckered but good.

11 posted on 06/05/2006 9:09:11 AM PDT by T'wit ("There is nothing so strong or safe in an emergency of life as the simple truth." -- Charles Dickens)
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robertpaulsen reminds us of another instance of judicial bias against Terri
12 posted on 06/05/2006 11:30:40 AM PDT by T'wit ("There is nothing so strong or safe in an emergency of life as the simple truth." -- Charles Dickens)
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To: 8mmMauser
Topix-Net Feed. Dr. Death's Death is getting almost as much covering as Terri's STATE SPONSORED MURDER.

http://www.conservative-spirit.org/index.html

13 posted on 06/05/2006 1:40:03 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: Lesforlife
Abortion getting the boot in South Dakota and Louisiana?

http://www.renewamerica.us/

14 posted on 06/05/2006 1:48:37 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: 8mmMauser; BykrBayb
A vote for Crist is a vote for the culture of death. He failed as Fla AG. If Crist wins, Florida will become the death capital. People will flock here to kill their relatives. They already flock to Pinellas but the whole state will be fair game. Crist even looks like the grim reaper. Meanwhile, I'd sit back and say "I told you so." As long as stupid people vote for RINOS, they are going to make everybody else suffer for it. Crist's campaign manager is the son of Greer's campaign manager. Greer is Florida's MOST NEED TO BE IMPEACHED JUDGE - EVER.


15 posted on 06/05/2006 1:53:56 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: 8mmMauser; Sun; amdgmary
WHY WE ARE STILL HERE:

Terri Schiavo's Final Hours An Eyewitness Account

Fr. Frank Pavone National Director, Priests for Life President, National Pro-life Religious Council You may have seen on the news that I was at Terri Schiavo's bedside during the last 14 hours of her earthly life, right up until five minutes before her death. During that time with Terri, joined by her brother and sister, I expressed your care, concern, and prayers. I told Terri over and over that she had many friends around the country, many people who were praying for her and were on her side. I had also told her the same things during my visits to her in the months before her feeding tube was removed, and am convinced she understood.

I've known Terri's family for about six years now and they put me on the visitor's list. Terri was in a hospice but there were police officers stationed outside her room. If I were not on that visitor's list I could not get in that room beyond the armed guard because the visitor's list was kept very, very small and very well controlled. The reason? The euthanasia advocates had to be able to say that Terri was an unresponsive person in some kind of vegetative state, coma or whatever terminology they want to use to suggest that she was completely unresponsive. The only way to prove she was responsive was to see her for yourself. I went down to see her in September 2004 and again in February 2005.

When her mom first introduced her to me, she stared at me intently. She focused her eyes. She would focus her eyes on whoever was talking to her. If somebody spoke to her from the other part of the room she would turn her head and her eyes towards the person who was talking to her. You know what some of the doctors have dared to say about this? "Oh, it's just reflex reactions. Unconscious reflex reactions." Interestingly, that's exactly the same thing they say about the unborn child when you look at the video The Silent Scream when the child opens his mouth and tries to move away from the instrument that is about to destroy him.

They say, "Oh, that's just an automatic reflex." That's the phrase they always use to dehumanize the person. I told Terri she has many people around the country and around the world who lover her and are praying for her. She looked at me attentively. I said, "Terri now we are going to pray together, I want to give you a blessing, let's say some prayers." So I laid my hand on her head. She closed her eyes. I said the prayer. She opened her eyes again at the end of the prayer. Her dad leaned over to her and said, "OK Terri now here comes the tickle," because he has a mustache. She would laugh and smile and after he kissed her I saw her return the kiss. Her mom asked her a question at a certain point and I heard her voice. She was trying to respond. She was making sounds in response to her mother's question, not just at odd times and meaningless moments. I heard her trying to say something but she was not, because of her disability, able to articulate the words.

So she was responsive. Now, the night before she died I was in the room for probably a total of 3-4 hours, and then for another hour the next morning -- her final hour. Brothers and sisters to describe the way she looked as peaceful is a total distortion of what I saw. Here now was a person, who for thirteen days had no food or water. She was, as you would expect, very drawn in her appearance as opposed to when I had seen her before. Her eyes were open but they were going from one side to the next, constantly oscillating back and forth, back and forth. The look on her face (I was staring at her for three and a half-hours)

I can only describe as a combination of fear and sadness; a combination of dreaded fear and sadness. Her mouth was open the whole time. It looked like it was frozen open. She was panting rapidly. It wasn't peaceful in any sense of the word. She was panting as if she had just run a hundred miles. But a shallow panting. Her brother Bobby was sitting opposite me. He was on one side of the bed I was on the other facing him. Terri's head in between us and her sister Suzanne was on my left. We sat there and we had a very intense time of prayer.

And we were talking to Terri, urging her to entrust herself completely to the Savior. I assured her repeatedly of the love and prayers and concern of so many people. We held her hand and stroked her head. During those hours, one of the things I did was to chant, in Latin, some of the most ancient hymns of the Church. One of the chants I used was the "Victimae Paschali Laudis," which is the ancient proclamation of the resurrection of Christ.

There, as I saw before my eyes the deadly work of the Culture of Death, I proclaimed the victory of life. "Life and death were locked in a wondrous struggle," the hymn declares. "Life's Captain died, but now lives and reigns forevermore!" And then we had just times of silence"; just sitting there in silence trying to absorb what was happening. But besides Bobby and his sister and Terri herself, you know who else was in the room with us? A police officer. The whole time. At least one. Sometimes two. Sometimes three armed police officers in the room. You know why they were in the room? They wanted to make sure that we didn't do anything that we weren't supposed to do, like give her communion or maybe a glass of water. In fact, Bobby, sitting on the other side of the bed, would occasionally stand up to lean over his sister. When he stood up and did that, the officer would change position. He would move around towards the foot of the bed so that he could have a direct line of sight on what we were doing. The morning that she died we went in there fairly early and I had to go back outside in front of the hospice to do an interview.

In order to go out on time I had a little timepiece in my hand and at the beginning of our visit I put it in my left hand, leaned over Terri and extended my right to bless her and we began praying. I closed my eyes and I felt a tap on my left hand. It was the police officer who said, "Father, what do you have in your hand?" I said, "Oh, officer, it's a little time piece."; "I'll have to hold it while you're here", he said. We couldn't have anything in our hands. He didn't even know what it was. Maybe I was going to try to give her communion. Maybe I was going to try to moisten her lips. Who knows what terrible thing I was about to do?

You know what the most ironic thing was? There was a little night table in the room. I could put my hand on the table and on Terri's head all within arms reach. You know what was on that table? A vase of flowers filled with water. And I looked at the flowers. They were beautiful. There were roses their and other types of flowers and there was another one on the other side of the room at the foot of the bed. Two beautiful bouquets of flowers filled with water. Fully nourished, living, beautiful. And I said to myself, this is absurd. This is absurd. These flowers are being treated better than this woman.

She has not had a drop of water for almost two weeks. Why are those flowers there? What type of hypocrisy is this? The flowers were watered. Terri wasn't. The other irony is - had I dipped my hand in that water and put it on her tongue - the officer would have led me out probably under arrest. He would have certainly led me out of the room. Something is wrong here.

As you may have also seen, those who killed Terri were quite angry that I said so. The night before she died, I said to the media that her estranged husband Michael, his attorney Mr. Felos, and Judge Greer were murderers. I also pointed out, that night and the next morning, that contrary to Felos' description, Terri's death was not at all peaceful and beautiful. It was, on the contrary, quite horrifying. In my 16 years as a priest, I never saw anything like it before. After I said these things, Mr. Felos and others in sympathy with him began attacking me in the press and before the cameras. Some news outlets began making a story out of their attacks and said I was "fanning the flames" of enmity and hatred. Actually, there's a simple reason why they are so angry with me. They had hoped that they could present Terri's death as a merciful and gentle act. My words took the veil of euphemism away, calling this a killing, and giving eyewitness testimony to the fact that it was anything but gentle.

Mr. Felos is a euthanasia advocate, and like all such advocates, he needs to manipulate the language, to sell death in an attractive package. Here he and his friends had a great opportunity to do so. But a priest, seeing their work close-up and then telling the world about it, just didn't fit into their plans. One of the attacks they made was that a "spiritual person" like a priest should be speaking words of compassion and understanding, instead of venom. But compassion demands truth. A priest is also a prophet, and if he cannot cry out against evil, then he cannot bring about reconciliation.

If there is going to be any healing between these families or in this nation, it must start with repentance on the part of those who murdered Terri and now try to cover it up with flowery language.

Another aspect of the Terri Schiavo tragedy is that many people misunderstand its cause and therefore its solution. They think the problem was that Terri did not leave any written instructions about whether she wanted to be kept alive. In order to avoid any such problem in their own lives, they are now told that they have to draw up a living will. This is both erroneous and dangerous. Terri's case is not about the withdrawal of life-saving medical treatment, but rather about the killing of a healthy person whose life some regarded as worthless. Terri was not dying, was not on life support, and did not have any terminal illness. Because some thought she would not want to live with her disability, they insisted on introducing the cause of death, namely, dehydration. So what good is a living will supposed to accomplish, aside from saying, "Please don't argue about killing me, just kill me?" The danger in our culture is not that we will be over-treated, but rather that we will be under-treated. We already have the right to refuse medical treatment. What we run the risk of losing is the right to receive the most basic humane care like food and water in the event we have a disability. Our culture also promotes the idea that as long as we say we want to die, we have the right to do so. But we have a basic obligation to preserve our own life.

A person who leaves clear instructions that they don& want to be fed is breaking the moral law by requesting suicide. If you want to make plans for your future health care, do not do so by trying to predict the future. The reason you cannot indicate today what medical treatments you do or don't want tomorrow is that you don't know what medical condition you will have tomorrow, nor what treatments will be available to give you the help you need.

Living wills try to predict the future, and people can argue over the interpretation of a piece of paper just as much as they argue about what they claim someone said in private. The better solution is to appoint a health care proxy, who is authorized to speak for you if you are in a condition in which you cannot speak for yourself. This should be a person who knows your beliefs and values, and with whom you discuss these matters in detail.

In case you cannot speak for yourself, your proxy can ask all the necessary questions of your doctors and clergy, and make an assessment when all the details of your condition and medical needs are actually known. That's much safer than predicting the future. Appointing a health care proxy in a way that safeguards your right to life is easy. In fact, the National Right to Life Committee has designed a Will to Live, which can be found at www.nrlc.org and which I recommend highly.

I am in regular contact with Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, and her siblings, Bobby and Suzanne. They are strong Christians with a beautiful, gentle spirit. If you wish to relay a personal message to them, you can send it to terri@priestsforlife.org and I will pass it along to them myself.

Meanwhile, let us continue to commend Terri to the Lord, mindful of the equal value of every life, no matter how prominent or obscure, healthy or sick.

16 posted on 06/05/2006 1:57:53 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: KevinNuPac

Just my impression: the illegal alien comments are a bit muddled, not sure if they belong in this piece.


17 posted on 06/05/2006 1:58:03 PM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: T'wit; Dante3; pickyourpoison
"Where there's life there's hope."


18 posted on 06/05/2006 2:00:38 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
SCOTT THOMAS MEETS TERRI'S PARENTS

Scott's wife was going to bump him off but her plans were dashed for now.

19 posted on 06/05/2006 2:04:27 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: eeevil conservative; Lesforlife; amdgmary
Haleigh Poutre was labeled hopeless and was almost a victim at the hands of state bureaucrats. She's still around thanks to public awareness.

(isn't this a cute pic of her?)

20 posted on 06/05/2006 2:09:28 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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