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Lucy: Clearcut Case of Evolutionist Fraud
Answers in Genesis ^ | 2003 | Dr. David Menton, Brown Univ.

Posted on 06/18/2006 7:59:34 AM PDT by tomzz

This little video was shown at the apologetics group at the McLean Bible Church last week and the effect on viewers was rather striking.

Lucy is the 40% more-or-less complete australopithicus skeleton which is commonly presented as a missing link of sorts, and the thought processes behind the manner in which reconstructions of lucy are presented indicates a mindset in which, at every juncture at which reality clashes with ideology, it is reality which simply gets tossed.

Lucy's actual remains did not included hands or feet and reconstructions are commonly presented with human or near-human hands and feet despite the fact that other skeletons of the same creature have hands and feet which are clearly those of an ape, with curved fingers for moving about in trees. Mary Leakey in fact had found clear tracks of human footprints in the same strata and location as Lucy's remains and the assumption is that at least one australopithicus MUST have had human feet.

Asked whether a better explanation would be that the tracks were simply produced by humans, Leakey and others replied that was impossible since the tracks were millions of years old.

The obvious explanation of course is that a human made the footprints and "Lucy" was simply that human's pet monkey.

The story actually gets better (much better) from there if you can believe that, with evolutionists claiming that a deer or other animal trampled "Lucy"'s hips and pelvis, breaking them into pieces, and that the pieces congealed by chances into the conformation of those of an ape, and deriving the true picture of Lucy's hips and pelvis by making a plaster cast, breaking it up with a saw, and then rearranging the pieces into a more human conformation.

For anybody willing to part with the twelve dollars, this little documentary offers an astonishing glimpse into the mindset of the evolution true believer.

David Menton earned a Ph.D. in cell biology from Brown University. He served as a biomedical research technician at Mayo Clinic and then as an associate professor of anatomy at Washington University School of Medicine (St Louis). For almost two decades he has been profiled in American Men and Women of Science—A Biographical Directory of Today’s Leaders in Physical, Biological and Related Sciences. Dr. Menton has lectured throughout the United States and Canada on the creation-evolution controversy.



TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: australopithicus; bloodbath; creationism; crevo; crevolist; documentary; evolution; fraud; intelligentdesign; lucy; moviereview; validpoints
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1 posted on 06/18/2006 7:59:35 AM PDT by tomzz
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(Lucy's actual remains did not included hands or feet and reconstructions are commonly presented with human or near-human hands and feet despite the fact that other skeletons of the same creature have hands and feet which are clearly those of an ape)


LOL! LMAO! Crazy Evo's.


2 posted on 06/18/2006 8:11:37 AM PDT by A Troop 1-14 Cav (By the time you understand women, you are one.)
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To: A Troop 1-14 Cav

Thing is you can still breed humans and chimps. Otherwise how do we explain the Democrats in Congress!


3 posted on 06/18/2006 8:34:44 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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The obvious explanation of course is that a human made the footprints and "Lucy" was simply that human's pet monkey.

I'd like to get confirmation on this from the source.

4 posted on 06/18/2006 1:33:43 PM PDT by Hoplite
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Lucy, you got some 'splainin to do.


5 posted on 06/18/2006 1:34:18 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

FYI


6 posted on 06/18/2006 1:40:42 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: tomzz; gobucks; mikeus_maximus; MeanWestTexan; JudyB1938; isaiah55version11_0; Elsie; LiteKeeper; ..
Evolutionists find:

Evolutionists see:

Any questions?

‘Lucy’ isn’t the ‘Missing Link’!

Did Lucy walk upright?

Lucy: walking tall—or wandering in circles?
7 posted on 06/18/2006 8:23:32 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (If you're proud to hold the American Flag, then the Flag is proud to be held by you.)
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ping for later


8 posted on 06/18/2006 8:36:42 PM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: tomzz

A gross defining characteristic of a hoaxer/evo: dishonesty.


9 posted on 06/18/2006 8:42:57 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: muawiyah
"Thing is you can still breed humans and chimps. Otherwise how do we explain the Democrats in Congress!"

Are you telling us that democrats have actually been crossbread with humans?

10 posted on 06/18/2006 8:58:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Evos don't seem to have much to say on this one. Think they've just missed it?


11 posted on 06/18/2006 9:21:26 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: tomzz

SPOTREP


12 posted on 06/18/2006 9:45:43 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Wouldn't presenting microscopic pics of tiny bone building cells and some stretchy organic particles that were discovered after scientists had chemically dissolved all minerals in the tyrannosaur bone fossil itself, without the proper size scale showing how incredibly small the items in the pics really are, also be considered fraud?

Especially if the person kept calling the organic material "meat", telling folks it was comparable to the steak meat or chops at the supermarket.

My fingernails are organic but I would hardly call them meat.

ScienceDaily here is a link that explains the "fresh meat found in a tyrannosaur femur" hoax, better than I ever could.

It explains that paleontologists did a chemical treatment on it and were surprised it didn't just dissolve the whole fragment. There are pics (black & white) with the size scale.

All those teensy tiny structures, cell and blood vessel patterns in that dino bone fragment are very similar to bone and blood cell structures found in modern day ostrich bones; Dr. Mary Schweitzer compared the two.

Guess the creationists/Iders forgot to mention that little fact in this story, as it supports the theory that some birds evolved from dinosaurs.

13 posted on 06/18/2006 10:33:52 PM PDT by Deadshot Drifter (Lib Wackos have the Center for Science in the Public Interest. CRIDers have the Discovery Institute)
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Asked whether a better explanation would be that the tracks were simply produced by humans, Leakey and others replied that was impossible since the tracks were millions of years old.

It is not proper to speak in absolute terms when dealing with circumstantial evidence as it pertains to unobserved history. With any theory there may be another to explain the data just as well, if not better.

For better or for worse, Creationists do not have the benefit of fraudulently creating organized matter that performs specific functions. The existence of such simply concurs with what is written in the biblical texts, which text I am inclined to treat with more respect in terms of authority and accuracy than a raft of books based upon fanciful thought, no matter how well "educated."

14 posted on 06/19/2006 4:35:15 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: tomzz
Clearcut Case of Evolutionist Fraud

NO!!!!

I'm SHOCKED!

15 posted on 06/19/2006 4:44:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: tomzz
Evos don't seem to have much to say on this one. Think they've just missed it?

That's because they're all over HERE; wondering about us!!!


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1651573/posts?page=42#42
16 posted on 06/19/2006 4:48:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: tomzz
Talk about blind faith....

This is all an accident of entropy????

You believe in accidental creation all you want, it doesn't change FACTS!

Look around you and believe this is accidental.

17 posted on 06/19/2006 4:55:11 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl!)
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To: rawcatslyentist
This is all an accident of entropy????

You believe in accidental creation all you want, it doesn't change FACTS!

Look around you and believe this is accidental.

Sadly some people do. If there is no intelligence behind it, there is no other explanation.

18 posted on 06/19/2006 5:14:02 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Deadshot Drifter

We've been over that before. Yes, some individuals forgot to borrow the cereal box phrase "enlarged to show texture" on the images. It's still a sensational find, and it should not have been there. No right-thinking scientist would have done what she did.

AiG's Dr. Menton already addressed the argument about bird evolution/dinosaur evolution with the medullary bones, and has a more in-depth response forthcoming.

And by the way, you are committing a tu quo que logical fallacy. You do not answer the arguments put forth in this thread, but merely snatch another instance from another thread and basically say "oh yeah, well CREATIONISTS can be dishonest TOOOOOO!"


19 posted on 06/19/2006 7:22:58 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (If you're proud to hold the American Flag, then the Flag is proud to be held by you.)
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To: editor-surveyor

A failed expeiment.


20 posted on 06/19/2006 9:41:32 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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