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To: Focault's Pendulum
I also concur with a newer member's view that ID could, perhaps, be introduced as a part of a philosophy curriculum.

I never had a philosophy course in high school. I don't know how many public schools have such courses. No problem with me if it's included in such a course. However, it's been demonstrated rather conclusively that what's called ID today is really just a disguised form of creationism. That got spelled out quite clearly in the Dover litigation: Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al.

Whatever ID may be, it's not yet science. They don't do research, they don't publish any results in scientific journals. Biotech firms don't hire ID researchers -- and they would if they thought anything could come of such work. The ID people don't have anything scientific to show for all their public relations efforts. If ID ever develops into a science, I think it should be in a science class. Until then, it's just an idea -- a lovely idea, but not science.

48 posted on 09/22/2006 4:44:00 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Science-denial is not conservative. It's reality-denial and it's unhealthy.)
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To: PatrickHenry
However, it's been demonstrated rather conclusively that what's called ID today is really just a disguised form of creationism.

Agreed, also with the rest of your comment. I'm just in an expansive mood tonight.

Opening new business so I'm stoked!

51 posted on 09/22/2006 4:48:51 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: PatrickHenry
I voted no.

Whatever ID may be, it's not yet science. With all the court losses and more and more school and state government boards of education rejecting "critical thinking" and alternate theories language in their standards, ID is a joke. A preconceived set of conclusions in search of a theory.

89 posted on 09/22/2006 5:59:04 PM PDT by AtomicBuffaloWings (Still not hot enough, A few of my taste buds are still alive.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Whatever ID may be, it's not yet science. They don't do research, they don't publish any results in scientific journals. Biotech firms don't hire ID researchers -- and they would if they thought anything could come of such work. The ID people don't have anything scientific to show for all their public relations efforts. If ID ever develops into a science, I think it should be in a science class. Until then, it's just an idea -- a lovely idea, but not science.

Well, Patrick Henry, when the GOP gets ID taught as science, the biotech companies will simply lobby congress from more H1B visas and more employment based permanent immigration for scientists because there simply won't be any home grown sceintists anymore. I'm already putting up with a couple of creationist-chemists and they have the worst experimental designs I've ever seen. They need someone to structure their work in order to get meaningful results. That's what happens when ID and creationism are on real scientist's brain! The rest of their work really is compromised.

233 posted on 09/24/2006 8:00:31 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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