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WOW! ISN'T THIS DRUG WAR GREAT!
Boortz.com ^ | 11-22-2006 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 11/22/2006 7:35:17 AM PST by Dick Bachert

Atlanta police went to a home on Neal Street in Atlanta last evening to execute a search warrant. When they kicked the door in the only occupant of the home, a 92-year-old woman, started shooting. She hit all three police officers. One in the thigh, one in the arm and another in the shoulder. All police officers will be OK. The woman will not. She was shot and killed by the police.

I'm not blaming the cops here. Not at all. They had a valid search warrant, and they say they were at the right address. Shots were fired, three cops hit, and they returned fire. A 92-year-old woman who was so afraid of crime in her neighborhood that she had burglar bars on every door and window, is now dead.

The blame lies on this idiotic drug war we're waging. We have all the studies we need, all of the comprehensive data is in. We can do a much more effective job of reducing drug use in this country if we'll just take a portion of this money we spend for law enforcement and spend it on treatment programs. A Rand study showed that we can reduce illicit drug usage in this country a specified amount through treatment programs at about 10% of the cost of reducing drug usage by that same amount through criminalization and law enforcement.

There's just something in the American psyche that demands that drug users be punished instead of treated and rehabilitated. We think they're stupid and ignorant for getting mixed up with those drugs in the first place. And you know what? We're right? But look at the messages we send to our children every single day with cigarettes, alcohol, and an endless stream of drug ads on television and in magazines. Drug culture? You bet we have.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: cutandrun; donutwatch; druggy; drugwar; hempatarian; leo; stoner; wod; wodlist
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To: Mojave

"MARIJUANA WILL STILL BE ILLEGAL FOR NON-MEDICAL USE

Proposition 215 DOES NOT permit non-medical use of marijuana. Recreational use would still be against the law. Proposition 215 does not permit anyone to drive under the influence of marijuana.

Proposition 215 allows patients to cultivate their own marijuana simply because federal laws prevent the sale of marijuana, and a state initiative cannot overrule those laws."

And just where did I claim otherwise? One guy who had an official blessing from Oakland to grow for those who could not was tried and convicted in fedgov's stacked courtroom, yet was not allowed to present a defense. When jurors learned that he had been "blessed" by Oakland, under Prop 215, AFTER the trial, they said they would have acquitted him of all charges had they known. So much for your war on drugs. It's all about control over the lives of others and well you know it. Go get a real life and leave folks alone.


401 posted on 11/25/2006 5:15:49 PM PST by dcwusmc (The government is supposed to fit the Constitution, NOT the Constitution fit the government!)
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To: Mojave
Now how about responding to this:
"It's a pity, really, because all the energy you expend trying to defend the indefensible could be used to help dismantle the welfare state and shrink government back to its Constitutional limits. But I suspect that's NOT what you really want, is it, Roscoe? Be honest here, you LIKE big government, because without it you might have to dig deep to find a marketable skill, right? Because thuggery only goes so far in a free society... like just barely to your own doorstep."
402 posted on 11/25/2006 5:20:35 PM PST by dcwusmc (The government is supposed to fit the Constitution, NOT the Constitution fit the government!)
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To: dcwusmc
[Proposition 215 allows patients to cultivate their own marijuana simply because federal laws prevent the sale of marijuana, and a state initiative cannot overrule those laws.]

One guy who had an official blessing from Oakland to grow for those who could not

So? Proposition 215 did not permit sales.

403 posted on 11/25/2006 5:30:50 PM PST by Mojave
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To: dcwusmc
all the energy you expend trying to defend the indefensible

Talk about projection...

404 posted on 11/25/2006 5:32:03 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

I'm defending the Constitution, in accordance with the oath I took many times over. I have no idea what it is YOU'RE trying to defend except big, unconstitutional government.


405 posted on 11/25/2006 6:20:41 PM PST by dcwusmc (The government is supposed to fit the Constitution, NOT the Constitution fit the government!)
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To: dcwusmc
I'm defending the Constitution

You're defending dope. Poorly.

406 posted on 11/25/2006 6:41:14 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Here is a post to another of your ilk, a consummate WODDIE... It does, however, apply to the rest of you as well:

"My role models do not either use drugs or encourage the growth of government thuggery. That you want more government thugs speaks volumes about you. If you call yourself "conservative," I wonder what it is you are trying to conserve, as it is obviously NOT the Constitution for the United States. THAT document grants government some LIMITED authority, but a MOST careful reading does NOT show where government, at any level, is allowed to outlaw what someone may or may not wish to put into their own bodies. You may ask where the Constitution allows people to ingest certain things. That is the wrong question, as it is NOT FOR GOVERNMENT TO ALLOW US TO DO THINGS (or refrain from doing them). It is for US to allow government to do ANYTHING AT ALL. And, bottom line, we cannot give government the authority to do anything that we, as individuals, may not legitimately and properly do, period. And I KNOW that YOU do not have any legitimate authority to prohibit anyone not living under your personal roof from doing anything whatsoever that does not involve the INVOLUNTARY participation of someone else. So please get over yourself and get a life minding your own damned business."


407 posted on 11/25/2006 6:56:53 PM PST by dcwusmc (The government is supposed to fit the Constitution, NOT the Constitution fit the government!)
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To: dcwusmc

Your hysteric defense of dope has an awfully low signal to noise ratio.


408 posted on 11/25/2006 6:59:59 PM PST by Mojave
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To: calex59

I have a better idea.. don't make my response as a private citizen illegal... I guarantee there will be ZERO druggies in my county within one year...


409 posted on 11/25/2006 7:08:42 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: dcwusmc
The trouble is that dopers are not content with doing the dope all by themselves... they involve other people's children...

Liberal-tarians want anarchy, but when I am all too willing to give it to you, you pee all over yourselves and run to the nanny state for protection.

The druggies, like the sex perverts, can only perpetuate an ever expanding market for their filth by molesting the minds and bodies of the young ones... I have no mercy or pity for them...

410 posted on 11/25/2006 7:14:09 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

My post # 407 applies to you, as well. Get a life minding your own damned business. If you SEE someone trying to sell dope to your kids (as in, HE went to THEM), do what you've a mind to do; however, if they go to HIM, best you straighten out your own first. I can virtually guarantee that your average pusher does NOT seek out new customers. They go to the dealer, just as you go to a pharmacy for your prescriptions or to a liquor store or tobacconist for your LEGAL drugs... In my travels (and I am out on the streets daily, in the course of my job), I see the odd dealer... and you know what? He just stands there and lets his customers come to him. So take care of your own and I would strongly bet you won't have it to worry about. In YOUR case, however, with your attitude, I would hardly be surprised if any kids you might have grew up to be the biggest users in your town.

My son did not grow up despising folks who couldn't face reality without a chemical crutch OR those who helped them get that crutch. Yet he grew into one of the finest examples of real MANHOOD anyone could ever ask for... and NO illicit drugs or even the legal drug, nicotine. I like to think he took my attitude as his own... and maybe he did. He has manage to pleasantly surprise me more than once.


411 posted on 11/25/2006 8:15:15 PM PST by dcwusmc (The government is supposed to fit the Constitution, NOT the Constitution fit the government!)
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To: dcwusmc
I can virtually guarantee that your average pusher does NOT seek out new customers.

Bull$hit... your average pimp does not seek out new whores or new johns either??? Bull$hit...

412 posted on 11/25/2006 8:20:19 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

"Liberal-tarians want anarchy, but when I am all too willing to give it to you, you pee all over yourselves and run to the nanny state for protection."

Constitutionists (like me) and libertarians and even Libertarians have NO use for the nanny state. IF (and that's a mighty big IF) you run across someone who does want a nanny, he or she is none of the above... which fact has been made clear to you time and again by those who would KNOW such things. Your continued aspersions are no longer in the realm of even the most remotely humorous. What I want is the same regard for and loyalty to the Constitution that the Founders had when they gave us this once free republic. I loathe and despise those of you who would see it used as toilet paper, just because you don't know what else to do with it. Certainly you've never read it, let alone believed that it means what it says.


413 posted on 11/25/2006 8:21:57 PM PST by dcwusmc (The government is supposed to fit the Constitution, NOT the Constitution fit the government!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Not in the way you describe. He hardly needs to... THEY come to HIM... the pals at school or work take care of the salesmanship.


414 posted on 11/25/2006 8:23:40 PM PST by dcwusmc (The government is supposed to fit the Constitution, NOT the Constitution fit the government!)
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To: dcwusmc
Certainly you've never read it, let alone believed that it means what it says.

Drugs are not found in the Constitution...

415 posted on 11/25/2006 8:34:55 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

They don't HAVE to be... the Constitution is a limit on GOVERNMENTAL power and authority, NOT on individual liberty, as you would have us believe. You KNOW that, it's been pointed out time and again to you, by better voices than mine, yet you still disregard that plain simple fact: We give government the authority to exist; it does NOT grant our rights or give US authority to exist. Plain and simple.


416 posted on 11/25/2006 8:41:07 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Amendment 666: The right to push crack and slam heroin shall not be infringed...


417 posted on 11/25/2006 8:41:23 PM PST by Mojave
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To: dcwusmc
the Constitution is a limit on GOVERNMENTAL power and authority

The Constitution is a delegation of inherent state powers to the federal government. Far from "defending" the Constitution, you incessantly misrepresent it.

418 posted on 11/25/2006 8:43:51 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Drugs are not found in the Constitution...

I can name a thousand things in a shopping mall that are not in the constitution. Your argument is way pathetic. Darwin nominee, for sure.

419 posted on 11/25/2006 8:44:58 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: dcwusmc

The Constitution then should limit government power to protect filth as well...


420 posted on 11/25/2006 8:45:51 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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