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"By showing up in our schools and demanding that they teach their sick lifestyle to other people's kids."

My mom's a teacher, so I know that most schools are very sensitive to the wishes of the parents. I very much doubt that a majority of the schools would force that on five year olds.

"By infiltrating our churches and synagogues and insisting that established teaching be altered--and by raping our young men in the case of the Catholic Church and others."

A. First, the fact that you think that all gay people are sexual predators is offensive.

B. There's no more sexual predators in the Catholic Church than there are high school teachers that sleep with their students. The reason why the Church got in trouble was because the bishops decided to sweep the abuse under the rug rather than notifying the proper authorities.

"By insisting that my tax dollars go to pay for illnesses they contracted doing what comes unnaturally to them."

There's many gay people in committed relationships that don't contract HIV, and there's many straight people who engage in risky sexual behavior or use intravenous drugs that do. HIV/ AIDS is probably the biggest threat to Sub-Saharan Africa, Southeast Asia (Thailand), and East Europe/ Russia, and that's due to risky heterosexual behavior (especially prostitution).

"By changing established law and tradition--and not legislatively, mind you, but by means of judicial tyranny--to suit their own selfish interests."

Frankly, I'd prefer that everyone worked through legislation and referendum and am concerned that legalizing gay marriage on "equality" grounds would lead to the legalization of actual offensive lifestyles, such as polygamy. However, conservative pressure groups use the Courts to their end, so I don't see why liberal pressure groups cannot do the same.

"To them I say: "Stop trying to impose your immorality on the vast majority of society that wants nothing to do with your repulsive acts.""

Most gays just want to be left alone to live with their partner; they aren't looking for converts.

From: MissQuito

[Accygirl wrote:] My mom's a teacher, so I know that most schools are very sensitive to the wishes of the parents. I very much doubt that a majority of the schools would force that on five year olds.

If this were true, there would be no need for organizations such as the ACLJ to represent Christian parents whose children have been subjected to teaching in public schools, teaching that violates the Christian parents beliefs, including, I've read, pro-homosexual teaching and materials.

You honestly mean to tell us you've never heard one news story about homosexual groups, or those sympathetic to them, trying to force kids to read "Heather Has Two Mommies" and other such literature?

And that the sexual ed courses teach the kids there is "nothing wrong" with homoexuality?

Wasn't it during the 1980s when the Surgeon General thought it would be a good idea to have first graders learn about homosexuality (specifically anal sex between two men) and how to put a condom on a cucumber?

On a similar note, we have homosexuality crammed down our throats in TV shows and in movies (e.g. Brokeback Mountain, Queer Eye, Will and Grace, the L Word, and homosexual characters on other shows) all of which is seeking to "normalize" homosexuality and make us think it's okay.

One of the common refrains one began hearing sometime in the late 1980s or 1990s in regards to homosexuality was,

"[Insert critical comment about homosexuality here], not that there's anything wrong with it [homosexuality]."

That, to me, was one of the first things that demonsrated that the homosexual activists had made some in-roads: people had to qualify any criticism of homosexuals or homosexualty by tacking on the phrase, "not that there's anything wrong with it."

[Accygirl wrote - to another poster -] First, the fact that you think that all gay people are sexual predators is offensive.

So only straight people commit crimes? There is no such thing as a homosexual who has ever molested a child, shop lifted, stolen, lied?

I don't know if the other poster stated that all homoexuals are pedophiles, but there are connections. See, for instance, this:

The tragic story of Jesse Dirkhising

or this -

Pedophiles Argue Their Case in the Journal of Homosexuality

Why would homosexuals give pedophiles a platform from which to expound their views?

If homosexuals don't like the complaint that they foster pedophilia, one would think they would have absolutely nothing to do with any group who promoties it, but that isn't the case. They are chummy with NAMBLA.

and there's many straight people who engage in risky sexual behavior or use intravenous drugs that do...

Two wrongs do not make a right, which, I've noticed, has had to be repeated in this thread many a time by others.

Straight people engaging in fornication or sexual deviancy is not excusable. Neither is homosexuality.

Of interest:

The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS

There has been a lot of sloppy thinking in this thread, such as the oft- repeated argument that "because some straight parents are abusive, this means that homosexuality is morally acceptable, and it's perfectly acceptable for homosexuals to be parents."

(I don't think great white sharks would be decent parents to a human child either, but I fail to see how that automatically legitimizes homosexual unions / parentage.)

Then there are the bizarre arguments of the strawman variety stated early in the thread that one who is against lesbians having a baby must necessarily want, demand, or wish for the abortion of that baby.

Further sloppy arguments:

that what two public figures do in their bedroom is nobody's business so nobody is permitted to pass any sort of judgment about the situation, (or anyone who has an opinion on the subject should keep it to himself or herself).

Not a sloppy argument but an observation of mine:

People who are, for reasons of morality, against homosexual parenthood are not all necessarily in favor of the government enforcing laws against it.

- But the critics in this thread continue to attribute this view to any and all socially conservative types here.

Most gays just want to be left alone to live with their partner; they aren't looking for converts.

Welcome to the Great Ideas (Really Really Truly) Club!

On the definiton of "Being Left Alone To Live With Their Partner":

Levels of Promiscuity
Prior to the AIDS epidemic, a 1978 study found that 75 percent of white, gay males claimed to have had more than 100 lifetime male sex partners: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250-499; 15 percent claimed 500- 999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners. Levels of promiscuity subsequently declined, but some observers are concerned that promiscuity is again approaching the levels of the 1970s.
Similar extremes of promiscuity have not been documented among lesbians. However, an Australian study found that 93 percent of lesbians reported having had sex with men, and lesbians were 4.5 times more likely than heterosexual women to have had more than 50 lifetime male sex partners.
(source: http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html)

A recent study on homosexual relationships finds they last 1-1/2 years on average — even as homosexual groups are pushing nationwide to legalize same-sex "marriages."
The study of young Dutch homosexual men by Dr. Maria Xiridou of the Amsterdam Municipal Health Service, published in May in the journal AIDS, mirrors findings of past research.
Among heterosexuals, by contrast, 67 percent of first marriages in the United States last at least 10 years, and researchers report that more than three-quarters of married people say they have been faithful to their vows.
(source: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030711-121254-3711r.htm)

Violence in gay and lesbian relationships has been another area of considerable investigation. Waldner-Haugrud, Gratch, and Magruder (1997) explored the gender differences in victimization and perpetration experiences of gays and lesbians in intimate relationships. The results from a sample of 283 gays and lesbians revealed that 47.5% of lesbians and 29.7% of gays had been victimized by a homosexual partner. Lesbians reported an overall perpetration rate of 38% compared to 21.8% for gay men.
High rates of violence in lesbian and gay relationships finds significant support in the research. In a study Lockhart (1994) found that 90% of lesbians surveyed had been recipients of one or more acts of verbal aggression from their partners during the 12 months prior to the study. Thirty-one percent reported one or more incidents of physical abuse. Lie and Gentlewarrior (1991) found that more than half of the lesbians had been abused by a partner. Island and Letellier (1991) noted that the incidence of domestic violence among gay men was almost double that of the heterosexual population. In a national survey of lesbians published by Bradford, Ryan, and Rothhlum (1994) found that 75 percent of almost 2,000 respondents had received psychological care, many for long-term depression.
(Source: http://www.narth.com/docs/gendercomplementarity.html)

On the defintion of "They Aren't Looking For Converts":

Look up GLSEN or NAMBLA for starters, oh incurious one. I'm not even going to link to anything about those sick groups.