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Yes, Rudy Giuliani Is a Conservative
City Journal ^ | Jan.25, '07 | Steven Malanga

Posted on 01/30/2007 4:43:23 PM PST by T.L.Sink

Personally, I prefer Tancredo although I admire "America's Mayor," and this article sheds some light on Rudy's little known conservative and courageous accomplishments.


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To: TommyDale

PS - you vote your conscience in the primaries. In the general, you vote the party....period.


261 posted on 01/30/2007 6:33:08 PM PST by ErnBatavia (recent nightmare: Googled up "Helen Thomas nude"....)
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To: T.L.Sink

Rudy's Record EXPOSED!

National Defense: Many people tout Giuliani's position on National Security as his strongest asset. These peope are either ignorant of or wish to ignore the fact that Giuliani twisted President Bush's arm to appoint Rudy's mobbed up, high school dropout, corrupt political crony and business partner, Bernard Kerik, to be the head of the Department of Homeland Security after the 9/11 attacks and during a time of war.

Please tell me how someone who is more interested in political cronyism in the selection of such a critical, national security position - after the 9/11 attacks and during a time of war - is better on national security than any of the other candidates. Despite getting the reports about comms not working between FDNY and NYPD during the 1993 WTC attack, Giuliani didn't fix the situation and 8 years later found the city unprepared for the 2001 WTC attack. Tell me how that helps his image on national security and war fighting issues. I mean, if a glaring security and safety deficiency, exposed by an attack on us, is found in our national security or our armed forces, will it take President/Commander in Chief Giuliani 8 years to fix it if he even attempts to fix it?

Giuliani agreed to give the New York Stock Exchange a $1.1 Billion dollar handout (which, by the way, is equal to the entire operating budget of the New York Fire Department) but he could never find it in the budget to upgrade the FDNY and NYPD communications systems even after the original WTC attacks demonstrated their deficiencies. How does this demonstrate the way he will act as Commander in Chief when determining priorities for the military and homeland security?

In truth, the whole national security thing with Giuliani is purely myth. Yes, he's a war hawk. Just like almost every other Republican Presidential candidate right now except for Paul and Hagel. But his actual record on issues that directly pertain to how he would operate as President is not going to help him.

Law and Order: His law and order record does not go well beyond clearing the streets of squeegee men, bums, and hookers. Some tout his efforts to go after organized crime, but he lost all credibility on that when it was exposed that he'd appointed a corrupt high school dropout with mob ties to be the Commissioner of the New York Police Department. Bernie Kerik, again. Giuliani went on to strong arm President Bush into appointing Kerik to one of the top law enforcement positions in the country - the head of the Department of Homeland Security. Kerik had to withdraw his name when he was later indicted for his crimes for which he received an even later conviction. He avoided jail, but narrowly.

Giuliani also continued the 'sanctuary city' policies of enacted by his Democrat predecessors. He welcomed hundreds of thousands of criminals - illegal aliens - into his city and refused to work with the INS on enforcing immigration laws. In fact, so annoyed with the pressure that INS was putting on him to cooperate and uphold law and order, he actually sued the Federal Government to try to be able to just ignore the law and continue coddling hundreds of thousands of criminal aliens. His lawsuit failed, and failed again on appeal, but he flouted the law anyway and continued to coddle the hundreds of thousands of criminals in his city.

Appointments/Nominations to his administration:First, I'll start with two words. Bernie Kerik. We know what a great job Giuliani did at getting Bush to appoint his mobbed up, high school dropout, corrupt business partner Bernie Kerik to head the Department of Homeland Security. Giuliani earlier appointed Kerik to head the New York Police Department And we know now how that all worked out. Kerik narrowly avoided jail, but he was convicted anyway.

Giuliani, in a quid pro quo for the New York Liberal Party's endorsement and support, appointed Liberal Party Chairwoman Fran Reiter as Deputy Mayor. He also appointed Russell Harding, the son of Giuliani's close friend Raymond Harding who also chaired the Liberal Party and was one of Giuliani's closest campaign advisers, to be the City Housing Director. Russell Harding had to leave office upon being arrested by federal law enforcement and charged with conspiracy, fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, receiving child pornography, and possesing child pornography. He was using his official credit card to pay for personal items including a car, 'Sopranos' and 'Sex in the City' DVDs, and a helicopter tour of the Grand Canyon. He later pleaded guilty to the charges and was sentenced to 5 years in prison and forced to repay $367,000 he embezzled from the New York City.

Yes, Rudy Giuliani has a sterling record when it comes to appointing people to positions in his administration. One can only imagine the types of people he'd appoint to his administration and to the Supreme Court if given the opportunity. It would be wise not to give him that opportunity given his record.

Fiscal Conservatism:Rudy is no fiscal conservative. He's a big government Republican. Rudy got taxes cut $2.0 billion. But that only offset the $1.8 billion tax increase Mayor Dinkins signed off on a few years earlier. A modest $200 million tax cut. Rudy also froze the 12.5% surcharge on high income earners, but he didn't eliminate the surcharge. Nor did Rudy abolish the city income tax structure. Rudy also left NYCity saddled with a projected, pre-9/11 deficit of $2.0 billion and a $42 billion debt. Second largest behind the federal government. Rudy also added 15,000 new teachers to the city employment rolls, helping to increase the membership of two of America's largest liberal oraganizations. The National Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers. Rudy also took all those savings from the cuts in welfare costs and applied them to other city welfare progarms. Really no savings whatsoever. The scope of city services wasn't reduced. In addition, Rudy almost doubled the costs of contractual outsourcing from $3.0 billion to $5.8 billion.

262 posted on 01/30/2007 6:33:29 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Dark Skies

Who? An honest conservative, not a dishonest crossdressing corrupt gun-grabber like the babykiller you are touting.


263 posted on 01/30/2007 6:33:51 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: MittFan08

To be blunt I think Rudy has ba!!$ and will communicate to the people what really, really needs to be communicated... we are in deep dooh-dooh in this world and need someone with a take charge attitude to take the reins.


264 posted on 01/30/2007 6:34:19 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Spiff

More unsourced spam. You don't really think anyone believes your garbage since you won't even back it up with a few links, do you?


265 posted on 01/30/2007 6:34:24 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Dark Skies

Law and Order: His law and order record does not go well beyond clearing the streets of squeegee men, bums, and hookers. Some tout his efforts to go after organized crime, but he lost all credibility on that when it was exposed that he'd appointed a corrupt high school dropout with mob ties to be the Commissioner of the New York Police Department. Bernie Kerik, again. Giuliani went on to strong arm President Bush into appointing Kerik to one of the top law enforcement positions in the country - the head of the Department of Homeland Security. Kerik had to withdraw his name when he was later indicted for his crimes for which he received an even later conviction. He avoided jail, but narrowly.


266 posted on 01/30/2007 6:34:38 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: Howlin

Yep. I am wary of the abortion litmus test when it comes to national candidates. After all, a politician's view on abortion will not persuade a woman seeking an abortion to cease her quest. And, as we all know, only women can stop abortion. Furthermore, Rudy has repeatedly said that abortion is a sad thing.


267 posted on 01/30/2007 6:35:31 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Peach

Rudy's own words and actions condemn him. He sued a gun-maker, he is a public and scandalous adulterer, he is a crossdresser, he support ALL abortions. He is NO conservatives, he IS a liberal NY lawyer.


268 posted on 01/30/2007 6:36:12 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: My2Cents
It was sounding good until this statement:

Giuliani favors the U.S. Senate's proposal. "Give people a way to earn citizenship in which they have to demonstrate facility with English, and they have jobs, and they're paying taxes, and they've put themselves in an entirely legal status... It'll be much harder for terrorists to hide in a situation like that…"

I can shoot a thousand holes in this argument.
269 posted on 01/30/2007 6:36:23 PM PST by Hostage
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To: Rudder

He said it was a sad thing, yet would pay for his daughter to have one...


270 posted on 01/30/2007 6:36:25 PM PST by Hambone02 (USAF AMMO IYAAYAS)
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To: ErnBatavia

Many people vote their conscience in all elections. Of course, you wouldn't understand that.


271 posted on 01/30/2007 6:36:27 PM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: BunnySlippers

Thanks for the ping. Very interesting indeed! Seems like the people who don't want Rudy and think he's a blah blah blah liberal blah blah blah gun grabber blah blah blah baby killer blah blah blah gay lover blah blah blah cross dresser - are getting nowhere with their "We must stop him at all costs" mantra. Its' not working and it won't - most people do not read Free Republic and will vote for who they want to regardless of how much Rudy is bashed.


272 posted on 01/30/2007 6:36:34 PM PST by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: Howlin

You're right. Reagan was divorced, married a pregnancy Nancy. Passed amnesty laws, the most liberal abortion legislation in the country at the time, gave us two lousy SC judges, 4 tax hikes, etc. He was great but he wasn't perfect, except in the minds of the "perfect" conservatives.


273 posted on 01/30/2007 6:36:47 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: IronJack

You've got to be kidding. You're talking about the man who gave the Arab prince or whatever he was, his check back post 911. There is little milquetoast about Rudy. He's been very upfront about calling a spade a spade.


274 posted on 01/30/2007 6:37:06 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Dark Skies
"I lived in NYC...you obviously didn't."

Funny that you would say that? I was on the 86th Floor in the North Tower on 9/6/2001, I should have been back on 9/12.

I worked in 4 WTC for 6 years and was there for the attack on Feb 26, 1993. I saw blood, smoke and panic first hand. I was back on site the following Monday, in a smoke filled room.

People on my street died that day.

Watch what you say...

Rudy has made Millions of Dollars off of 9/11. He is a 1st class Jack ass as far as I am concerned.

275 posted on 01/30/2007 6:38:07 PM PST by Afronaut (Supporting Republican Liberals is the Undeniable End to Freedom)
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To: Rudder
Furthermore, Rudy has repeatedly said that abortion is a sad thing.

Can you name a single federal-level or nationally known politician of either party that hasn't?

276 posted on 01/30/2007 6:38:19 PM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: BnBlFlag; All

As I've said before, I support Tancredo and have no vested interest in Giuliani. But no politician bats 100% conservative - least of all George Bush. But having said that, I think any objective look at Giuliani's career clearly demonstrates he's conservative on some important issues. I think that many (not referring to you) have made comments without reading the article.


277 posted on 01/30/2007 6:38:22 PM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: narses

You're not a New Yorker, are you?


278 posted on 01/30/2007 6:38:26 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: narses

Reagan's own actions would have condemned him too.

Divorced. Got a woman pregnant. Signed abortion legislation that was the most liberal in the nation at the time, amnesty, tax hikes, ran from Lebanon, 2 lousy, liberal SC appointments, etc.

Two can play that game.


279 posted on 01/30/2007 6:38:58 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: TommyDale
Please do not call him a conservative in this forum.

Please stop being such an arrogant jerk that you presume to tell people how they must define things.

280 posted on 01/30/2007 6:39:06 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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