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To: mockingbyrd; dangus; Gamecock
dangus: The authors lied. They didn’t merely come to contentious conclusions, they outlied lied. Yet knowing this, you defended them as if they were telling the truth.

mockingbyrd: Seems pretty disingenuous to me.....or a deliberate misrepresentation of the quote. The context is completely misrepresented. If the author is writing in truth, why such deception?

The exact quote - verbatim - appears at this link on Zenit. Note that the phrase isn't found in the article; instead, it's found at the top of the page, under the "ASIAN SYNOD day by day" banner, in Zenit's summary of articles for the day. I'll reproduce the summary here, since no one seems to have gone to the source itself, despite my providing a direct link back in post #9.

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Asian Synod

May 13, 1998

ASIAN SYNOD
John Paul II Will Visit Asia to Sign Synod Document
The Trip Should Take Place in the Latter Half of Next Year

A First Answer in the Debate Over Inculturalization
Lebanese Bishop Béchara Rai, a participant in the assembly, speaks

FEATURE
Islam Co-opting Fatima
Iranian TV: Our Lady of Fatima is Really Fatima, Daughter of the Prophet Mohammed

SPECIAL REPORT
Asia: A Persecuted Church
Bangladesh, Pakistan, China, Vietnam... Where Being a Christian Can Cost You Your Life

119 posted on 05/11/2007 6:43:35 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (FR Member Alex Murphy: Declared Anathema By The Council Of Trent)
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To: Alex Murphy

I went to your direct link, and the source of the article makes it very clear that not only was it Iranian TV, and not the Catholic News, that was making the assertion, but that Iranian TV was lying (as if it were at all necessary to make clear that Iranian TV WAS lying).


121 posted on 05/11/2007 6:51:57 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Alex Murphy
Citing the source for the claim as Zenit, not mentioning Zenit's source (Iranian TV) is disingenuous.

From the article: To quote a Catholic news organization, “Our Lady of Fatima is really Fatima, daughter of the Prophet Mohammed

Why no mention of Iranian TV, where the claim about the Lady of Fatima was made? Muslims claim one thing about her, while Catholics another.

123 posted on 05/11/2007 6:55:25 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Alex Murphy
Iranian TV: Our Lady of Fatima is Really Fatima, Daughter of the Prophet Mohammed

Note the "Iranian TV" part. The headline itself (that you posted) makes in very clear that 1) it was not the Church, but rather Iranian TV that makes this rather novel claim and that 2) Bennett could not have misinterpreted it, but rather twisted it to serve his own erroneous claims.

I looked around on his site a bit... I knew he was anti-Catholic, but I had forgotten that his ministry's sole purpose in being is to deceive Catholics and to malign the Catholic Church.

124 posted on 05/11/2007 6:58:44 AM PDT by GCC Catholic
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To: Alex Murphy; dangus

Really? Really? You don’t see how deceptive this (whole) article is? You found the quote yourself!

So the author, while talking about the growing “closeness” between Rome and Mecca, and as an example of this purports that “To quote a Catholic News organization.....” and then reports some rubbish about Fatima.

Yes, Zenit did have those words in it’s article. But only as explaining what IRANIAN tv was saying. Not as representative of what any Christian believes. And the author knew that. And the author choose to present the quote in such a way that people would think that this is what Catholics think. And that is a violation of the eigth commandment “Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor.”

Think about it. We all worship Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. We all desire to serve Him as best we know. We might disagree as to the best way to serve Him, but I believe that all the Christians who post on the religion forum do so out of a love for Our Savior.

Why isn’t at least half the energy that is spent tearing down those who worship Christ is a way that someone thinks is unfit, spent sharing the good news with those who do not know to call God,Father,and Jesus, Lord and Savior? No one comes to the Father except through Christ, how many people are out there who are so lost? Why attack those who do know their Lord and Savior, why not reach out to those children of God who are so lost?

It is a lot harder to lift up than it is to tear down. I can’t understand for the life of me the glee various Christians have at attacking other Christians. And think of the glee of Satan when Christians lie and misrepresent what other Christians believe.


126 posted on 05/11/2007 7:04:55 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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