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Was Nathan Bedford Forrest the Best Confederate Cavalry Leader in the West?
Military History Online ^ | 12/09/2007 | Laurence Freiheit

Posted on 12/09/2007 8:55:00 PM PST by indcons

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To: Brad from Tennessee
In the 1930's, German Army Colonel Irwin Rommel traveled to Shiloh and other military parks in the region in the course of studying Forrest's practice of mobile warfare.

No. There's a 1986 novel called "Rommel and the Rebel" about that, but, according to a review: "Lawrence Wells --taking off from a 1937 newspaper clipping about a visit by five German military dignitaries to Mississippi and the battlefield of Brices Cross Roads-- improves on history by supposing that Rommel, incognito, was one of the five." Rommel may well have studied Forrest's campaigns, but he never visited the United States.

101 posted on 12/10/2007 11:31:01 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: wardaddy

I published a decent art portrait of Forrest some years back....sold a few thousand of them.....a few folks here have one.

The artist died last year....an Indian or sorts.


102 posted on 12/10/2007 11:33:20 AM PST by wardaddy (subservient well trained former shrew tamer for Thompson)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I’ll see what else I can find out about this.


103 posted on 12/10/2007 11:50:37 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Brad from Tennessee
In the 1930's, German Army Colonel Irwin Rommel traveled to Shiloh and other military parks in the region in the course of studying Forrest's practice of mobile warfare.

A nice story but unfortunately not true. Rommel never visited the U.S., and never set foot outside of Germany unless he was invading.

104 posted on 12/10/2007 11:54:26 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Thanks. I tried doing a Google search but didn’t come up with anything.


105 posted on 12/10/2007 1:38:07 PM PST by FReepaholic (This tagline could indicate global warming.)
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To: Badeye
there was NO massacre. period. end of story.

the TRUTH is that the "whole thing" was "made up out of whole cloth" as a CLUMSY attempt by the "crowd of thugs, cheap politicians & nitwits" (which comprised "the lincoln MAL-administration") to try to besmirch the reputation of the CSA in Europe. the attempt was a FLOP. (only DUMB-bunnies & the ignorant believed them after the truth started coming out from persons who were THERE on both the US & CS sides, as well as the "foreign observers")

just the report of one of the "foreign serving officers", CPT Lourdes F. Compania of the Royal Spanish Guards, to his commanding general makes your opinion look SILLY.

CPT Compania stated that:

Anyone who would be deceived by the ridiculous & ill-conceived web of untruths told by the newspapers & the Union's High Command is INCOMPETENT to serve in any military forces. (NOTE: no quotation marks, but this is CLOSE to an exact quote from Compania's report.)

as i said earlier, you should turn off your computer, go to the library & LEARN the UN-comfortable truth that you (and many others like you) have been deceived.

free dixie,sw

106 posted on 12/10/2007 2:28:51 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Stonewall Jackson; All
interesting!!! i had NO idea that all 3 "kids" went to Cuba in support of the war.

also, i wonder WHY "Tom" was listed as a "cadet aide-de-camp in West Point gray"???? (i would NOT think that a "naval cadet" would havve done so.)

free dixie,sw

107 posted on 12/10/2007 2:33:11 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie

Why would a Spanish observer in the Civil War be named Lourdes?


108 posted on 12/10/2007 4:29:53 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: af_vet_rr
Check out Armstrong’s actions at Middleburg, Tennessee, and Britton’s Lane prior to the Battles of Iuka and Corinth. Also, it would be interesting to check out how Armstrong performed at the Battle of Bull Run....as a Yankee cavalryman.
109 posted on 12/10/2007 5:13:18 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Why would a Spanish observer in the Civil War be named Lourdes?

He wouldn't, because there was no Lourdes F. Compania in the Royal Spanish Guards or the Civil War or anywhere else other than Stand Watie's mixed-up mind.

110 posted on 12/10/2007 5:22:23 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Don’t forget to add General Heath, to the mix either.


111 posted on 12/10/2007 5:28:40 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade ('A nation which dose not remember what it was yesterday does not know where it is today... R.E. Lee)
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To: stand watie
The first reports of the Battle at Fort Pillow were from the Memphis Avalanche, a Union Newspaper that used the battle to scare the negroes into fighting for the North and fear surrender to Southerners. The reports of the Memphis newspaper were sensationalized and untruthful and are quoted liberally in history books, especially the Black History Books. This reference has been discounted by many historians.
112 posted on 12/10/2007 5:30:47 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Harry Heth has to go down as having the most unique reason for missing a major battle. Everyone knows that Heth missed the charge on the third day of Gettysburg because he was wounded, thus giving Pickett the command and having the charge named after him. But it’s the details of the wound that makes it interesting. Heth was shot in the head. However he was wearing a loose-fitting hat and in order to keep it from slipping down over his eyes he had stuffed it full of paper. It was the paper which deflected the bullet and kept the wound from being fatal. As it was he was merely knocked out with a concussion.


113 posted on 12/10/2007 5:40:26 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: rustbucket

A book on the war in the (real) west might be short, but it would be a great read.


114 posted on 12/10/2007 10:01:48 PM PST by norton (deep down inside you know that Fred is your second choice - but he's looking better)
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To: stand watie

‘there was NO massacre.’

Thats simply not true. Only 20% of the black soldiers ‘survived’ as compared to 60% of the caucasian soldiers.

Letters and diaries from CSA troops confirm that many of the black soldiers fell to their knees and begged for mercy, only to be instructed to stand up...at which point they were ‘gunned down’.

Pretending this didn’t occur is simply ridiculous.


115 posted on 12/11/2007 5:59:30 AM PST by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: norton
A book on the war in the (real) west might be short, but it would be a great read.

I have a few.

- Civil War in Texas and New Mexico Territory by Steve Cottrell. This is the book that contained the mule story.

- The Confederate Invasion of New Mexico and Arizona, 1861-1862 by Robert Lee Kerby.

- Rebels on the Rio Grande, The Civil War Journal of A. B. Peticolas by Don E. Alberts. In it I found mention of one of my cousins who was in Sibley's force.

- The Battle of Glorieta, Union Victory in the West by Don E. Alberts.

There are interesting books on the war in Texas. Texans fought Indians and invaders from Mexico as well as Federal troops. Here is one that stands out:

- Battle on the Bay, the Civil War Struggle for Galveston by Edward T. Cotham, Jr. This details how the Texans using two old steamers whose decks were lined with compressed cotton to protect the troops manning them defeated the Federal navy in Galveston Harbor and captured the Harriet Lane of Charleston fame. Together with Confederate land troops they succeeded in capturing or throwing Federal invaders off Galveston Island. Interestingly, the Confederate troops who did this were part of the Sibley army that invaded New Mexico.

116 posted on 12/11/2007 6:57:23 AM PST by rustbucket
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
you might go ask his mother why, LIAR/BIGOT. (be sure & head over to Spain to look for her grave. you will NOT be missed on FR.)

i didn't name the Captain.

asking FOOLish/needless/ARROGANTLY STUPID nonsense like that is why you are thought to be BOTH a bigot & a FOOL. (pity, that you evidently aren't smart enough to KNOW how you are seen by others here, so that you would "run away & hide w/tears of humiliation".)

face it, "bubba", you're nothing more than a SERIAL LIAR, who is DESPISED roundly by all here, who are "blessed with" reading your DUMB-bunny, arrogant,clumsy, DIShonesty.

also, WHEN are you going to:

1. admit again WHO you were before you were banned from FR, FOREVER,

2. tell everyone WHAT exactly you DID to be permanently BANNED &

3. tell everyone WHAT CRIME that you ADMITTED committing to try (UN-successfully) to win an argument on FR?? (be sure to provide PROOF, as you are well-known to be "a creature WITHOUT honor".)

laughing AT you, BIGOT.

free dixie,sw

117 posted on 12/11/2007 9:09:05 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: vetvetdoug; All
"The Avalanche" was NOT the only "newspaper" or other "source" that told KNOWING, intentional,outrageous, LIES.

today the place of the editor of that rag has been taken by the LEFTIST/REVISIONIST/hate-FILLED, lunatic fringe of northeastern/LEFT coast academia.

the DAMNyankees LIED then;the REVISIONIST LEFT lies NOW.

as for "Black History Books", the authors of those texts SHOULD "take a second look at" the Battle of Ft Pillow. what they would find is that the Black troops of both the USA/CSA fought with HONOR, great BRAVERY & (at least in some small-unit cases) nearly to the last man standing. those men were GRAND warriors for "their cause";FEW today are their equal! TRUE warriors today honor their memory, regardless of which uniform they wore!

free dixie,sw

118 posted on 12/11/2007 9:19:26 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
why of course you cannot admit it, Mr Minister of DAMNyankee Propaganda.

the "house of cards", that the unionists/REVISIONISTS/LEFTISTS here try to prop-up, will not much longer stand against the "uncomfortable" FACTS about the :

1. DYs DEATH CAMPS (where TENS of thousands of CSA prisoners of war were abused, tortured, denied shelter, denied medical care & MURDERED in cold blood),

2.Slaughter of UN-armed women & children by the THOUSANDS &

3. TARGETING Blacks (both slave & free), AmerIndians, Jews,Latinos, Roman Catholics,Quakers & other religious/racial minorities for "especial treatment" like mass rape,robbery,arson, torture & outright MURDER.

if you DID admit the truth, it would result in everyone here learning that every member of "the DAMNyankee coven" on FR are BOTH knowing LIARS & allies of the REVISIONIST left.

the FACTS are NOT on the DAMNyankee's side, so you & other DYs like you LIE,spout nonsense, spew out venom,tell "half-truths", deceive the naive, try to change the subject and "run your mouth" about NOTHING.

laughing AT all the members of "the DAMNyankee coven".

free dixie,sw

119 posted on 12/11/2007 9:35:35 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Badeye
don't you get TIRED of being laughed AT???

the FACTS are NOT on the side of the REVISIONISTS. face it, "badeye", you've been lied TO & made a fool OF. (SADLY, i must tell you that you are NOT alone in being made a FOOL of.)

free dixie,sw

120 posted on 12/11/2007 9:37:36 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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