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To: palmer

Cloward-Piven mindset = The state of mind in which all inclination for good is overwhelmed by an affinity towards that which is lying, faking, deceiving. The desire to be—just like cancer—a poisonous seed whose malicious existence and deadly agenda depend entirely on the ability to appear part of the functional system.

To use another metaphor: the desire to be a slithering, pestilent viper crawling through the dust of rotting corpses rather than be a normal person.


2,376 posted on 08/02/2009 12:13:26 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: reasonisfaith
To use another metaphor: the desire to be a slithering, pestilent viper crawling through the dust of rotting corpses rather than be a normal person.

Or another:

They'd rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven

2,413 posted on 08/02/2009 12:20:10 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 194 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: reasonisfaith
The state of mind in which all inclination for good is overwhelmed by an affinity towards that which is lying, faking, deceiving

Just be sure you don't lump (for example) my lack of religious faith to be part of an affinity for atheism or anti-religiousness. I realize that pointing out objective facts in these circumstances can be a trap since many facts may be part of an adversarial strategy (e.g. the Hawaiian official who declared Obama was born in Hawaii, but only according to "vital records" not further defined).

But I certainly respect the certainty of your faith in God as I read it from your home page and I acknowledge my own uncertainty thereof and its potential drawbacks. I may be rather zealous in pointing out logical flaws in some material here, but I assure that it is not because I am an agent for some agenda, knowingly or otherwise.

2,488 posted on 08/02/2009 12:37:01 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: reasonisfaith; palmer

C-P ideology is what was behind the overwhelming of the NYC welfare system in the late 60’s-early 70’s. It resulted in the near bankruptcy of the city as enormous numbers were added to the welfare roles.

The famous “Ford to NY: Drop Dead” headline resulted from the federal government refusing to bail the city out of its C-P created mess.


2,706 posted on 08/02/2009 1:20:39 PM PDT by Scanian
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