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To: Idabilly
After all, Jefferson stated unequivocally in the Declaration of Independence that, at any point, it may become necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them…

It is very convenient to forget that in 1776 Independence was NECESSARY to secure inalienable rights. The south's secession was publicly decreed to be necessary to perpetuate the denial of those same rights, namely slavery. To pretend to invoke the principles of the Declaration of Independence for the south's action is brazenly ignorant.

51 posted on 03/11/2010 3:50:00 AM PST by ALPAPilot
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Righto.

The famous Cornerstone Speech by the VP of the CSA, Alexander Stephens, rejected the Jeffersonian idea that “all men are created equal,” even specifically stating that Jefferson, while a very great man, had been wrong about this principle.

IOW, the CSA was built on the cornerstone that some men constitute a master race destined to rule over slave races.


53 posted on 03/11/2010 4:00:00 AM PST by Sherman Logan ( .)
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To: ALPAPilot
“It is very convenient to forget that in 1776 Independence was NECESSARY to secure inalienable rights. The south's secession was publicly decreed to be necessary to perpetuate the denial of those same rights, namely slavery. To pretend to invoke the principles of the Declaration of Independence for the south's action is brazenly ignorant.”

Give it a rest.

Congressman David Wilmot of Pennsylvania

“no squeamishness upon the subject of slavery, no morbid sympathy for the slave.” “I plead the cause of free white men,” he said. “I would preserve to white labor a fair country, a rich inheritance, where the sons of toil, of my own race and my own color can live without the disgrace which association with Negro slavery brings upon free labor.”

59 posted on 03/11/2010 4:11:20 AM PST by Idabilly
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To: ALPAPilot; Idabilly
To pretend to invoke the principles of the Declaration of Independence for the south's action is brazenly ignorant.

I'd be careful with invoking the Declaration of Independence against the South and making allegations of blazing ignorance if I were you.

The Declaration of Independence has the great statement, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal ...," but it also contains the complaint against the king, "He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us ..." The insurrections referred to the freeing of blacks (and indentured servants) who would escape and serve the king against the American colonists. (Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation wasn't original.)

Lord Dunmore, Royal Governor of Virginia, had issued a proclamation in 1775 freeing slaves of the rebels. This was what the DOI was referring to. Here's the 1775 proclamation:

And I hereby further declare all indented servants, Negroes, or others (appertaining to Rebels) free, that are able and willing to bear arms, they joining His Majesty's Troops, as soon as may be, for the more speedily reducing the Colony to a proper sense of their duty, to this Majesty's crown and dignity.

-- Lord Dunmore's Proclamation [Governor of Virginia, November 14, 1775]

In other words, the Declaration said all men are equal but leave our slaves alone. In that sense the Confederates were for the complete Declaration while the North was only for part of it and assumed the role of the king and his officer, Lord Dunmore.

Jefferson very probably believed that "all men were created equal" should apply to slaves. But the words in his draft of the DOI were changed by the Continental Congress.

The Continental Congress removed Jefferson's charges against the king that "He has incited treasonable insurrections of our fellow citizens …" and replaced it with "He has excited domestic insurrection among us …" The Continental Congress probably didn't consider slaves as fellow citizens.

The Continental Congress also removed the charges against the king in Jefferson's draft that "He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither." Why would the Continental Congress take that out if they felt that "all men are created equal" applied to slaves?

By the way, I'm all for those statements above as Jefferson originally penned them.

97 posted on 03/11/2010 7:19:06 AM PST by rustbucket
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