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Rev. Jeremiah Wright: "Let's tell the truth about Haiti"
Haiti Action ^ | September 21, 2010 | Randall White

Posted on 09/23/2010 2:16:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Oakland, CA, USA — "… If you want to help Haiti, let's start, let's start, let's start by telling the truth. Okay? The truth is that on April 7, 2003, President Aristide, a democratically elected president on the side of the poor, called together a Restitution Commission which determined that France owed Haiti twenty-one billion dollars. And within weeks, France and The United States told Aristide it was time for him to go. Step aside, step down, resign or be killed.

"The Haitians had their duly elected, democratically elected president kidnapped by United States Marines …"

On Sunday September 19th at Allen Temple Baptist Church in Oakland it soon became obvious that when Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright said he had "retired," a couple of years ago, it meant he retired from his daily pastoral obligations at Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC) in Chicago — where the Rev. Otis Moss III is now the Senior Pastor — and did not include his prophetic obligation to deliver timely messages to the People of God. Since his "retirement" in 2008 he has been in constant demand — just as in the years before Bill Moyers "admitted" that he was aware of the most prolific minister in his own, largely white, denomination — as a revival week preacher for many African-American congregations across the USA.

The large congregation of Allen Temple packed their own church early and left the overflow hall to visitors who "came on time." A good preacher can mostly "fill" Allen Temple, it takes a great preacher to "pack it." That would have been a good day's work for a great preacher but, right after Dr. Wright finished his morning sermon, he was whisked away to San Francisco to pack the equally large Third Baptist Church. We're sure the Third Baptist crowd would have loved to feed him after the service, but Sunday dinner for Dr. Wright was another packed large church back over the Bay to Oakland where he delivered the keynote address — "Living Up To Our Greatness" - for the inauguration of the African American Leadership Commission (AALC).

At Allen Temple, preaching from the text of Micah 6:1-8 - a favorite passage of Liberation Theology leaders - Dr. Wright's sermon topic was: "What Does The Lord Require?: To Do Justice?" The text points out that "doing justice" is not just a guideline, but a requirement for those who claim to be the People of God. Like Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright, the Hebrew prophet Micah was confronting the ruling elite and government of his day demanding that they throw off their oppressive addiction to and desire for power and return to the "justice for all" that was required in the covenant relationship they had with their Creator. One doesn't have to look hard in the Book of Micah to see that there is a direct correlation to the Haiti of today.

The ruling elite of Israel and Judah wanted to pursue a life of luxury and excess, feeling that their position on the economic food chain entitled them to exploit the workers at will. When the peasants couldn't keep up with the increased demands of the plutocracy, the rich landowners were able to evict the peasants after bribing the judges or ousting the government officials who didn't "play along." The unemployed peasants were forced into the now overcrowded urban areas which saw overwhelming poverty on a scale never before experienced by the Hebrew nation. Micah saw a return to justice and right living as a way back to meeting up to God's expectations for those who wanted to be known as his people.

While not calling for the return of Aristide to Haiti, or for the participation of Lavalas in the upcoming presidential elections, Reverend Wright waded into Haiti's issues that would be glossed over by the corporate media interests in their pursuit of celebrity gossip:

"We give four hundred and ninety eight million dollars for Haiti's natural resources. For sugar, for timber, for flax seed, and guess what else we give them money for? For their concrete! They send their Grade A concrete to rich countries for pennies on the dollar and are left to build their homes and schools, their hospitals and churches with inferior concrete that can not withstand any kind of earthquake — much less a seven point anything on the Richter scale. Why not do justly? Why not 'do justice' in Haiti and give a fair price of five billion dollars for Haitian exports. That's what they bring in the white world, after we steal them for pennies from poor black folk ."

Reverend Wright has been exhorting the African-American Church family to stand in solidarity with the oppressed in Haiti for some time. Wright was one of the few national leaders in 2005 to sign a Lavalas petition calling for the return of Aristide and the end of the US directed occupation. Later the same year TUCC - When Reverend Wright was still Pastor - hosted a showing of "Haiti the Untold Story," in Chicago.

In the Allen Temple sermon, the Reverend returned to the subject of Restitution and Reparations — after exposing the Injustice in South Africa — by providing further Scriptural authority to the issue:

" … That's not reconciliation. That's just empty words … Come to Luke 19 with me … We always hear sermons about Zacheus and how short he was … All he wanted to do was to see Jesus … Instead of him seeing Jesus, Jesus saw him … called him by name … Zacheus must have been notorious, not Notorious BIG, but Notorious Small! … We hear many sermons about this, but very few sermons talk about this Justice issue. Restorative Justice, where Zacheus restores what was taken from the poor, the weak. And then Zacheus not only repents — the first step in reconciliation — Zacheus also REPAYS! The ultimate proof of 'repentance' and the crucial element of true reconciliation."

" … Zacheus says — in so many words — "I cannot get right with God, if things are still wrong between me and the People made in God's image" … The white Dutch Afrikaners did not want to hear this part of the Reconciliation Process … Reparations' is a dirty word when it comes to the rich and when it comes to the powerful in this country also — not just in South Africa … Zacheus engaged in Reparations …"

The dynamics of justice to people of African descent was further explored at the AALC event of interfaith community leaders. The fear of the Dominant Culture is hard to move. The methodology of the oppressive class depends on restricting transfer of power and wealth to a Zero Sum Game (ZSG) model. One group can only progress if another group loses. In its quest for hegemony, embracing another culture or nation to collective progress is counter to maximizing wealth. Sustainable economic and cultural models are rarely explored and usually disrupted whenever they show promise.

Below is the full transcript of Reverend Wright's comments on Haiti in the sermon: "What Does The Lord Require?: To Do Justice?" Even better download and listen (7.7M) to the audio segment. For the complete sermon contact the Allen Temple Tape Ministry

"Justice for the helpless in Haiti. Haiti was forced by European powers to pay reparations to the French. Twenty-one billion dollars worth of reparations. The first and only time in world history that reparations were imposed by a defeated nation (France) on a nation that had defeated it (Haiti). A racist decision backed and supported by the United States, with US banks being one of the places that poor blacks in Haiti had to borrow the money, with interest, to pay back rich white folk.

"Justice. Not just prayers for Haiti, but justice for Haiti. Sustained justice for Haiti, on whom the International Monetary Fund and The World Bank keep instituting policies that undermine Haitian's agricultural base. The recent IMF loan to Haiti required Haitians to stop producing rice. You wanna help Haiti? Pray, yes. Send monetary assistance (not to the Red Cross, they're still holding on to those millions), yes. But also get on your phone. Get on your email. Get on the case and force Congress to change the policies which keep Haiti poor, keep Haiti colonized and punishing them for daring as African to break free of European domination. That'll help Haiti.

"We give four hundred and ninety eight million dollars for Haiti's natural resources. For sugar, for timber, for flax seed, and guess what else we give them, for their concrete. They send their grade A concrete to rich countries for pennies on the dollar and are left to build their homes and schools, their hospitals and churches with inferior concrete that can not withstand any kind of earthquake, much less a 7 point anything on the Richter scale. Why not do justly? Why not do justice in Haiti and give a fair price for five billion dollars for Haitian exports. That's what they bring in the white world, after we steal them for pennies from poor black folk . If you want to help Haiti, forgive the debt. Tell your congressmen that. That's justice. If you want to help Haiti, pay them a fair price for their exports so they can build their own rice fields, build their own houses, build their own schools with grade A concrete and have their own emergency services.

"If you want to help Haiti, let's start, let's start, let's start by telling the truth. Okay? The truth is April 7, 2003, President Aristide, a democratically elected president on the side of the poor, called together a restitution commission which determined that France owed Haiti twenty-one billion dollars. And within weeks, France and The United States told Aristide it was time for him to go. Step aside, step down, resign or be killed. The Haitians had their duly elected, democratically elected president kidnapped by United States marines and flown to The Congo on a CIA plane, to get him out of the way of the rich US, French and foreign business interest .

"You want to help Haiti? Let's do justice. Tell the truth, be honest, fess up, pay up and in addition to charity, let's give Haitians dignity. Stop the double standard of letting white skinned Cubans in, and keeping black skinned Haitians out. God demands justice. God desires justice. And God requires justice."

Delivered Sunday, September 19 2010 at Allen Temple Baptist Church in Oakland


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: antiwhite; bigot; france; haiti; jeremiahwright; obama; obamaspastor; racist
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1 posted on 09/23/2010 2:16:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here we go again.


2 posted on 09/23/2010 2:20:34 PM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wow...He’s off his nut.

If he wants to encourage his congregation to give charitably, that’s one thing. Demanding reparations is quite another.

God’s justice will be done...Just not by Wright’s hands, would be my guess.

I strongly suggest lithium and staying away from crowded rooms for him.


3 posted on 09/23/2010 2:21:09 PM PDT by WAW (Which enumerated power?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Even the Communists do not want Haiti.


4 posted on 09/23/2010 2:21:24 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (counter revolutionary)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

First, tell the truth about Barack Hussein Obama !


5 posted on 09/23/2010 2:21:33 PM PDT by Sloane_Ranger
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Uhhhhhh???
God D*$n America and France?


6 posted on 09/23/2010 2:21:53 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stop aid to Haiti right now. Not another penny.

I’m serious. They have some genuine business-minded entrepreneurs but they simply can’t start a business because of all the aid. Nobody can compete with free.


7 posted on 09/23/2010 2:22:44 PM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

yes, lets be honest about Haiti....its full of uneducated, ignorant and low mentality people, living as tribes, corrupt and immoral, unethical,unappreciative,and murderous....giving anything to them is like flushing it down the toliet because that is what Haiti is....and Margaret Sanger was thinking of them when she concocked her schemes...


8 posted on 09/23/2010 2:24:05 PM PDT by cherry
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To: agere_contra

No “aid” if we don’t say how that money is spent. Even welfare cheats have to use their foodstamps in an approved manner (not for beer or cigarettes).


9 posted on 09/23/2010 2:26:27 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"You want to help Haiti? Let's do justice. Tell the truth, be honest, fess up, pay up and in addition to charity, let's give Haitians dignity. Stop the double standard of letting white skinned Cubans in, and keeping black skinned Haitians out.

How does it help HAITI as a nation to help even more of its citizens FLEE a corrupt nation in need of serious restructuring?

10 posted on 09/23/2010 2:28:00 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
My first comment is that Aristide's status as "democratically elected" is highly questionable.

His party had ignored the constitutional requirement of second-round elections for seats in the legislature that had no clear majority and simply seized power, dominating the legislature without legal backing.

The opposition parties demanded that the legislative elections be rectified before the presidential election was conducted.

The legislature went ahead anyway and conducted a presidential election with only one candidate, Aristide.

My second comment is that Aristide ruled with an iron fist from his April 2003 demand for reparations until February 2004 - when his government-backed gang Lavalas assassinated the leader of a rival gang, the Cannibales, and a civil war started.

The reparations demand was laughed at by the French government and had nothing to do with the civil war he started.

11 posted on 09/23/2010 2:28:44 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: WAW

“I strongly suggest lithium...”

Cyanide is much more effective and nobody ever goes off those meds.


12 posted on 09/23/2010 2:28:55 PM PDT by Gator113 (Beauty will devour the Beast in 2012. Kill "Obamamosque"@ Ground Zero)
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To: a fool in paradise
let's give Haitians dignity

Give them dignity? LOL that's not how it works.

14 posted on 09/23/2010 2:32:17 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: fwdude; All

Wright still preaching that redistribution of wealth Black Liberation Theology CRAP, and right on cue, too!


15 posted on 09/23/2010 2:34:42 PM PDT by A. Morgan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Comments?

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Yeah. This pastor disaster should save this Black Liberation Theocrap for Obammie.

And other quasi-muslim morons who think like this.


16 posted on 09/23/2010 2:37:06 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anyone surprised that Rev. Wright championing a man who uses necklacing as political ‘speech’.


17 posted on 09/23/2010 2:38:40 PM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Micah 6:8 says "He has shown thee, oh man, what is good and what the LORD doth require of thee: but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God."

1. It isn't "do justice" it is "do justly," which means your actions must by directed by what is just. That does not mean try to correct the actions of others; it means govern your own actions.

2. Love mercy. Nothing done or said by this angry, hate-mongering racist bears the slightest resemblance to even a casual acquaintance with mercy, let alone a love for it.

3. Walk humbly with your God. No further comment is even necessary.

18 posted on 09/23/2010 2:39:18 PM PDT by VRWCmember (Jesus called us to be Salt and Light, not Vinegar and Water.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This guy is using religion as a prop for his personal paranoia. I don’t even know what religion he professes.


19 posted on 09/23/2010 2:44:53 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Class warfare is Obama's thing.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Do you ever make an intelligent post?


20 posted on 09/23/2010 2:44:57 PM PDT by Paradox (Socialism - trickle up poverty.)
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To: cherry

Gee you mean exactly like the people who pack these places where the Rev. Wright spouts his racist BS.


21 posted on 09/23/2010 2:47:53 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Altura Ct.

“Do blacks ever not whine?”

Not since I can remember. Perpetual victimhood seems to be standard.


22 posted on 09/23/2010 2:49:16 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rev. Wright is under the bus with Obama’s Grandma. Anything outrageous he says will be buried news. MSM will rarely cover him.


23 posted on 09/23/2010 2:56:56 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: EEDUDE

Guys, at least qualify it to “black democrats” or “black professional race-baiters” or something.

This ‘blacks = whiners’ thing is just wrong. Think of Lloyd Marcus, Thomas Sowell and many, many others.

And also think of the many White losers we all know and despise. That film critic Ebert for instance. Oh dear oh dear.


24 posted on 09/23/2010 2:57:08 PM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Amazing. Absolutely amazing. That rabble-rousing, America-hating sorry excuse for a member of the human race was here in the Bay Airhead area and not even the Comical mentioned it that I recall. Then again, the Giants are in a pennant race, and the 49ers were playing on Monday night, so I guess it just wasn’t that important.

What surprises me is that he didn’t deliver his speech at a special service on Saturday, the 18th. Check a Jewish calendar, if you don’t understand my reference.


25 posted on 09/23/2010 2:57:10 PM PDT by ssaftler (Californians: Yes on 20, No on 27. No more Jerry-mandering! (Or Jerry-browning either!))
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To: VRWCmember

Good contrast between what the passage actually says and what the Right Reverend wrestled out of it. We see his type of wretchedly incorrect dividing of God’s Word too often with the church today.

Keep up the good Word breakdown.


26 posted on 09/23/2010 3:06:01 PM PDT by 1forall (America - my home, my land, my country.)
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To: 1forall

The Rev needs to learn a little about the building trades in Earthquake country. Concrete buildings fall over when they aren’t re-enforced with rebar. Further, stick frame buildings of correct construction are a better place to be in an Earthquake anyway, it can bend. If you brace it correctly AND bold it to the foundation - it wills stand up to a bigger jolt than something that is fundamentally stiff (read concrete buildings..)

In other words - he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Anyone suprised?


27 posted on 09/23/2010 3:16:22 PM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Haitians are no different than the parasitic Palestinians or many of the American Blacks that always rely on blackmail as a means to get ahead. They will do whatever it takes to steal, deceive and claim “Oh poor me” every chance they get, instead of taking an active positive role in their own destiny.


28 posted on 09/23/2010 3:16:58 PM PDT by jongaltsr (It)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rev. Jeremiah Wright: “Let’s tell the truth about Haiti”

OK, Rev!

Haiti is a shithole — thank the French.


29 posted on 09/23/2010 3:20:24 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Alright, here’s the truth you black racist MFer. Haiti is a black hell on earth created by blacks, raped by blacks, and ruled by criminal black dictators who torture and kill other blacks. It’s a GD stink hole, which has been totally deforested, it has NO economy, disease is rampant, and the citizens are marked DOA! I think that about covers it!


30 posted on 09/23/2010 3:22:11 PM PDT by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: agere_contra

You have a point. I mostly think of the professional race hustlers and Jeremiah Wright, and all the others who refuse to look seriously at what Dr. Bill Cosby had to say about problems in the black culture.

There is/are a severe cultural problem(s) in the inner city black population.

I guess most of all I resent the implication that the black communities failures are ALL the fault of the white man.

I’m damned tired of being called a racist and blamed for all the ills of the black community simply because of my skin color.

I do accept your point that I was painting with too broad a brush.


31 posted on 09/23/2010 3:26:17 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He actually has a decent point with regard to France.

For many decades during the 19th century the French siphoned off massive amounts of wealth from Haiti because its people had had the temerity to fight and win their freedom. They enforced this transfer of wealth by the threat of a blockade. With no fleet, the Haitians could not fight back.

Had Haiti been a “white” nation the USA would never have allowed this egregious violation of the Monroe Doctrine. If the French had the right to collect these sums, we still owe the UK a bunch of money.

32 posted on 09/23/2010 3:26:31 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Comments?”

Yes. (Raising my hand.)

What a nutcase. He is a lying ass.


33 posted on 09/23/2010 3:30:55 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rev. Wright is playing with fire here. Not only is he religiously supporting a genocidal dictator... he is doing so while living in a city where over 10,000 refugees from said genocide are currently residing.

Rev. Wright should be more concerned about some Cannibales gangsters rolling up on him than the proverbial ‘whitey’ as this newest Haitian election comes and the fervor in the Haitian-American communities reach higher levels than normal....

Someone might take personal offense to the US President's personal pastor emphatically supporting the mass murdering mass torturing dictator Aristide that killed their family members as little as 7 years ago.

34 posted on 09/23/2010 3:38:41 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: EEDUDE

Well said Sir.


35 posted on 09/23/2010 3:48:49 PM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: Sherman Logan; EEDUDE; Doc Savage; Altura Ct.; cherry; Black Agnes; Beckwith
For many decades during the 19th century the French siphoned off massive amounts of wealth from Haiti because its people had had the temerity to fight and win their freedom.

Haiti has been run by black or mulatto dictators since 1791.

France did not control anything there in the 19th century . Haiti paid France around 10 million US in reparations for property lost in the revolution to gain French recognition over 50 years from 1838-1888. Haitian GDP prior to revolt was many times that. To try to blame Haiti today on France from 200 years ago is a very very big stretch and falls into the old tried and true axiom that blacks rise and fall on the whim of the cracker....which to me is the real racist logic much more so than notions of white supremacy...the dependent blacks shackled by the white man's benevolence or scorn...without us they are lost.....soft bigotry..low expectations...one thing Bush got right.

They did not siphon off any more wealth from there than did any other colonial power from any other colony.

The denuding of the nation was done by Haitians themselves and mostly for charcoal...not uncommon in the third world.

The only wealth there was created by agricultural deployment...namely sugar cane...a little sisal...and some alumina I'd reckon...can't recall....but it stands to reason.

But you're right about one thing...had Haiti been white would not have happened because whites themselves would have found a way to make a reasonable nation after 200 years of Independence unlike most but not all blacks there..

There are some smart and well meaning Christian blacks there but they are simply drowned out by kleptocracy, superstitions and primitive culture that is beyond hope.

What wealth there is exists in the hands of Chinese, Arabs, Jews and even some Swedes and old Mulatto families and not because those folks are evil non black exploiters but because they are smarter in general and more educated.

They massacred or drove off nearly all the whites after the the revolt and have suffered for it...irreparably in my opinion.

Contrast them with Dom Rep next door...a fairly African place but with a strong white and mulatto bourgeoisie...much much better....though still way below what we would call good.

it's just how it is man...all cultures or races or sub-races etc don't perform equally on the mean....even with inter group variance taken into account

geographic isolation and tribalism and in my view black magic worship are strong inhibiters...and I think it transfers over time beyond just sociological

so fire away...I lived there....worked there from 88-92 the better part of each year...from Jacmel to Port au Paix

PS...they shoulda kept West Point grad Cedras

36 posted on 09/23/2010 4:24:52 PM PDT by wardaddy (We are on a roll like I have never seen.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Haiti’s Top Exports to America

Among the top 10 Haitian exports to the U.S. in 2008, 8 showed increases as high as 436.2% for items made from wool. However, cotton apparel and household goods dominates over 3 quarters of Haitian shipments to America. This shows an over dependence on a labor-intensive, low-paying economic sector.

1. Cotton apparel and household goods … US$347.1 million, up 5.9% from 2007 (77.1% of US imports from Haiti)
2. Other textile apparel and household goods … $61.1 million, down 50.5% (13.6%)
3. Fruits and preparations including frozen juices … $8.2 million, up 6% (1.8%)
4. Cocoa beans … $7.8 million, up 46.2% (1.7%)
5. Tobacco, waxes and non-food oils … $2.9 million, up 13.9% (0.6%)
6. Wool apparel and household goods … $2.5 million, up 436.2% (0.6%)
7. Sporting and camping apparel, footwear and gear … $2.4 million, up 76.9% (0.5%)
8. Non-textile apparel and household goods … $2.3 million, up 74.2% (0.5%)
9. Generators and transformers … $1.7 million, down 22.9% (0.4%)
10. Soft beverages and processed coffee … $1.5 million, up 10.4% (0.3%).

(http://www.suite101.com/content/haitis-top-imports-exports-a193094#ixzz10OfYts8a)

I don't see Cement even mentioned.
Per one of our missionaries, the problem with cement is thugs and gangs control everything that hits the docks.
Cement that is IMPORTED and doesn't leave the docks before it's cut by at least 50% with beach sand. Beach sand contains much more salt than builders sand. Buildings are under reinforced with rebar for the same reasons.
If you want 100% pure cement you pay a premium to the thugs

37 posted on 09/23/2010 4:26:41 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And of course it’s Bush’s fault Haiti is poverty-stricken.


38 posted on 09/23/2010 5:37:15 PM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here's the truth. It's a market economy world. If Haiti wants to sell their concrete for a $1,000 an ounce, they can do it. Now no one is going to pay that, but they have the right to offer it for sale at that price. We can offer them toasters for two thousand dollars each too - of course they won't buy any of those either.

People like the Rev. Wright don't understand markets. He should go down there and tell them to charge more - they can also charge a few thousand an hour for each person to load the ships that carry their thousand dollar an ounce concrete... No one's going to pay them. But here's a solution - they can pay each other that - and quit dealing with the rest of the world...

Here's how a market economy works - you sell for as much as you can get and you buy as cheaply as you can get away with... Since lots of people are selling - and buying - prices are determined by what individuals are willing to pay...

If your grocery store decided to sell milk for a hundred dollars a gallon, most of it would go sour. People won't pay more than what something is worth to them... Go for it Haiti - see your stuff go sour....

39 posted on 09/23/2010 5:37:56 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2589165/posts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Throughout the 1990s, SOUTHCOM headed an infrastructure building exercise program throughout South America and the Caribbean, called New Horizons. From the Air Force, we would send Prime BEEF and RED HORSE to those nations including Haiti. The chronic problem with Haiti was our troops would construct schools, churches, government buildings and other structures in Port-au-Prince. They’d conduct a ribbon-cutting ceremony with the local officials in the morning; by the evening, the buildings would be gutted for the copper wire.

Those people have no sense of future beyond a nanosecond into the future. It’s all about grabbing what the can right now. They are absolutely hopeless. Their grossly flawed foray into “democracy” was a disaster. Haitians can only survive under iron-fisted dictatorship.


40 posted on 09/23/2010 5:45:38 PM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: agere_contra; EEDUDE

I know it is not all, as in 100%. Just as in any human condition other then death nothing applies to every element of any group but the majority of blacks it does apply to and citing a small exception does nothing to alter that fact. In addition most blacks have absolutely no problem or reservations going after all crackers as this piece exhibits. Funny how we are not supposed to lump all blacks together but it perfectly OK to get the ‘white man’. Brothers have no problem with this. I’ve had enough.


41 posted on 09/23/2010 6:17:15 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“owed Haiti twenty-one billion dollars”

Don’t these leaders know anything other than demanding more welfare under the guise of “reparations”?

Why doesn’t this racist “Rev.” instead lecture the Haitians on the importance of breaking the welfare mentality and going to work?

The other half of the island (Dominican Republic), though not wealthy by Western standards, is a utopia compared to the garbage pit known as Haiti.

O.K., “Rev”: Let’s DO tell the truth about Haiti: it’s glory days were when the French were there and since self-rule it has been a hellhole comparable only to some of the African countries and will remain so when we’re all gone from this vale of tears.

P.S., “Rev.”: I want my pro rata share of tax money back that has been squandered on Haiti.


42 posted on 09/23/2010 6:24:09 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Lots of Cubans are black-skinned and we let them in.


43 posted on 09/23/2010 10:35:23 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: wardaddy
Haiti paid France around 10 million US in reparations for property lost in the revolution to gain French recognition over 50 years from 1838-1888.

Let's put this amount into some perspective, shall we?

For one thing, it was roughly 30M US dollars at the time, not $10M.

The US bought the entire Louisiana Territory for about $15M. That's about 1/3 of the continental USA. Admittedly it was a hell of a bargain, but that was still a great deal of money at the time.

The entire US federal budget in 1860 was $60M. I've been unable to track down what it was in 1825, but I suspect it was pretty close to the $30M in question.

The majority of the "property" the Haitians were required to indemnify the French for was the money value of the liberated slaves. Guess what we paid the owners when we liberated the slaves (confiscated their value) in this country? Zip.

The 150M gold francs ($30M US) was about 5x the total annual exports of Haiti at the time. The equivalent amount for the US today would be more than $5 trillion. By 1900 80% of the Haitian budget went to these payments. Many presently consider the US grossly over-indebted, but our payments on the national debt consume a great deal less than 80% of our budget, and most of that goes to American creditors, or at least is reinvested in the USA by foreign creditors. When Haiti paid money to the French it left the country never to return.

I stand by my contention that the USA would have considered this an egregious violation of the Monroe Doctrine if committed against any other Latin American nation. But southern (and northern) prejudice against black Haiti kept them from intervening.

AFAIK, no Latin American nation was forced to pay anything remotely equivalent to Spain or Portugal for losses suffered by Spanish or Portugese nationals during their revolutions. If you have evidence otherwise, I'd like to see it.

I agree with most of what you say about Haiti having largely messed itself up. But the French, with American acquiescence, certainly helped a great deal.

Contrast them with Dom Rep next door...a fairly African place but with a strong white and mulatto bourgeoisie...much much better....though still way below what we would call good.

I agree. You have any evidence that DR was required to pay equivalent, or any, reparations to Spain?

44 posted on 09/24/2010 9:38:43 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Haiti has many problems mostly caused by its own population and rulers. Here is one of them:

Population in thousands

This 2004 BBC report gives a good background: Haiti: An economic basket-case Analysis By Steve Schifferes BBC News Online economics reporter

45 posted on 09/24/2010 11:54:57 AM PDT by Inappropriate Laughter (Obama: Another illegal alien living in public housing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He is essentially correct about the way France extorted money from Haiti.

The point is how much would they actually have to pay and where would the money go.

Haiti’s problem is that it is mostly ungovernable and a free for all. It is like Mexico on the Caribbeans.


46 posted on 09/29/2010 1:07:41 AM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: agere_contra

Lets tell the truth ...about the 2 days when EVERY White Person on the island was killed...because of their skin.

The trade in Voodoo body parts?

The drug trade?

The slavery?

as a cambodian woman I know,”who at 95 lbs..works as a court security guard here...”Says “white people are STUPID”


47 posted on 11/07/2010 10:26:18 AM PST by Therapsid (Communism has killed 50-60 Million people in only 50 yrs.)
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