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TUCSON SHOOTINGS: Gun control and the Wild West (Feline nickname alert)
The Rochester City Newspaper ^ | January 18, 2011 | Andrew Dunning

Posted on 01/18/2011 1:18:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The massacre in Arizona should make every forward-thinking person in America angry. And this anger should give thoughtful people the backbone to tell the NRA that the Wild West show that they sponsor is over.

The NRA and its disciples believe that they deserve to own guns at all costs. The costs are very high; people are literally killing us, their fellow Americans, because of their gun obsession.

The massacres that happen on a fairly regular basis in our schools, work places, and now at a public gathering of an elected official are almost all committed by a person who is a legal gun owner or by someone who steals or borrows a gun from a relative who is a legal gun owner. That is the problem with guns: no one knows when a legal gun owner is going to go nuts.

Why does anybody in America need a gun that can shoot and blow away dozens of people in only 30 seconds?

We live in a country where entertainer-public figure Sarah Palin shoots animals for fun to show what a tough woman she is and to prove she is one of the guys. Palin had a map on her web site that had crosshairs on the districts of Representative Gifford and 19 other members of Congress. Palin now says the crosshairs were meant to be taken as crosshairs from a surveying instrument.

The people who promote guns at all costs (right-wing radio and television talk-show hosts) seem to be scared that our government will turn on us. If the government turns on us, it's all over anyhow, for crying out loud. The government has tanks, jets, and flame throwers.

I would like to live in a country that isn't the Wild West anymore - where nobody carried a gun. I would rather be in a crowd where if somebody had a baseball bat or a knife and went nuts they could only get one or two people before they are tackled.

It is time to pass intelligent, sane gun-control laws.


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I guess Andy thinks that all firearms will magically disappear upon the order of Der Führer and unicorns will pee mocha lattes and excrete Skittles while we all sing camp songs and eat rainbow stew.
1 posted on 01/18/2011 1:18:41 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good grief, how old is the person that wrote this drivel?


2 posted on 01/18/2011 1:20:37 PM PST by doodad
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s no use to even try to educate these imbeciles——at least until they are confronted face to face by a bad guy with with a gun.


3 posted on 01/18/2011 1:21:17 PM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The NRA and its disciples believe that they deserve to own guns at all costs. The costs are very high; people are literally killing us, their fellow Americans, because of their gun obsession.

Like free speech hasn't killed anyone? MLK, Malcolm X to name just a few.

4 posted on 01/18/2011 1:21:41 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The massacres that happen on a fairly regular basis in our schools, work places, and now at a public gathering of an elected official are almost all committed by a person who is a legal gun owner or by someone who steals or borrows a gun from a relative who is a legal gun owner.

AFAIK, few if any of these perps have had CC license, but does anybody know whether this claim is accurate? Certainly Loughner purchased his 9mm legally.

5 posted on 01/18/2011 1:21:56 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I would rather be in a crowd where if somebody had a baseball bat or a knife and went nuts they could only get one or two people before they are tackled.”

Rwanda comes to mind. Or Mexico. Take your pick...


6 posted on 01/18/2011 1:22:02 PM PST by texmexis best (`)
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To: Puppage
Why does anybody in America need a gun

It's The Bill of Rights, not the bill of needs.

7 posted on 01/18/2011 1:23:00 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The NRA and its disciples believe that they deserve to own guns at all costs

Actually we American Citizens believe in the U.S. Constitution which is what tells us we have the right to bear arms..
As to sane gun , we have what about 6000 plus guns laws between the Feds and the States? So you think what? We need how mnay more . ANOTHER 20, 40 500?


8 posted on 01/18/2011 1:23:06 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“And this anger should give thoughtful people the backbone to tell the NRA that the Wild West show that they sponsor is over. “

Uhh, actually, we didn’t sponsor the show.

It was some fellers named Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, I believe. The script they wrote is called the Bill of Rights - its somewhere in something called the
U. S. Constitution.


9 posted on 01/18/2011 1:23:37 PM PST by ZULU (No nation which tried to tolerate Islam escaped Islamization.)
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To: doodad

I would rather be in a crowd where if somebody had a baseball bat or a knife and went nuts they could only get one or two people before they are tackled.

Hard to believe that someone this stupid can be published in a newspaper. What a fool........


10 posted on 01/18/2011 1:24:55 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

written by an 11-year old who got all their information from the unbiased people at MSNBC and DailyKos.


11 posted on 01/18/2011 1:26:31 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: Sherman Logan

Loughner was able to get his gun legally because the local Sheriff never took his mental illness seriously enough to write up a report.


12 posted on 01/18/2011 1:27:43 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: Sherman Logan
re: Loughner purchased his 9mm legally

Yes, he did. And thereby hangs the tale. He had an arrest record, and was mentally very shaky. I don't know of anyone who feels he should have been able to get hold of a weapon, not even the staunches pro-gun, lifetime NRA member.

The writer should come on back when he or she figures out a way to keep weapons out of the hands of Jared Loughner without infringing on the right of millions of other citizens who keep and bear arms.

13 posted on 01/18/2011 1:29:03 PM PST by jwparkerjr (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

14 posted on 01/18/2011 1:30:44 PM PST by HushTX (I have finally started reading The Federalist Papers. Great stuff!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
(Feline nickname alert)

I like the way you cleaned up your "rhetoric" - LOL!
15 posted on 01/18/2011 1:33:07 PM PST by ExTxMarine ("Convictions are more dangerous to truth than lies." ~ F. Nietzsche)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Walk-in rampages are one kind of crime. Yeah, maybe these crimes would go down if people couldn’t buy guns. However, these are not the only time murders with guns happen. There are plenty of other times people find themselves with a badguy or several badguys and going gun to gun would be a lot more advantagouse then trying to knife fight with them.


16 posted on 01/18/2011 1:38:26 PM PST by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: GeronL

Would a mere arrest record be enough to stop a purchase, or is a felony conviction required?


17 posted on 01/18/2011 1:41:23 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: texmexis best

Right. My nephew and I were talking about this just last night. He insists — and I agree, that a determined attacker with a blade in a crowd could probably kill five or six people before anyone even realized something bad was happening. The available weaponry changes the tactics but not necessarily the results.


18 posted on 01/18/2011 1:47:27 PM PST by old3030 (I lost some time once. It's always in the last place you look.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
...we have what about 6000 plus guns laws between the Feds and the States?

Over 20,000.

19 posted on 01/18/2011 1:48:51 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: old3030

I don’t think so. I think a knife attacker would get the beat down pretty early.

Our culture has changed drastically since 9/11.


20 posted on 01/18/2011 1:52:39 PM PST by texmexis best (`)
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To: Sherman Logan

How about involuntarily being admitted to an asylum?


21 posted on 01/18/2011 1:54:11 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: texmexis best

I was going to say the opposite. Someone who knows how to wield a knife and understands anatomy could kill more than five or six in a real hurry. People are more afraid of getting cut by a knife than shot with a gun.


22 posted on 01/18/2011 1:56:50 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: old3030

To expand on my previous remarks, since 9/11 it has become open season on attackers.


23 posted on 01/18/2011 1:59:24 PM PST by texmexis best (`)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Andy better change his diaper -- I think he's wet himself again.

Just the last boilerplate bleating from the


24 posted on 01/18/2011 2:01:58 PM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: GeronL

No idea. Do such things go into the database?


25 posted on 01/18/2011 2:03:14 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"The NRA and its disciples believe that they deserve to own guns at all costs"

Why, yes, yes we do.

At all costs.

26 posted on 01/18/2011 2:08:22 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a pantload!


27 posted on 01/18/2011 2:14:32 PM PST by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I got some interesting perspective from a former girlfriend some years ago. She was an uber-liberal, and very much against gun ownership (I used to clean my guns while we watched TV together... drove her nuts... but anyway:). Then one time when we talked about it yet ~again~ she finally tapping into what her fear was all about: She didn’t trust herself with a gun. She was afraid of becoming so angry someday that she’d just use the gun in rage. She didn’t understand how anybody could have enough self control not to just kill the next person that made them mad.

That really set me back on my heels. Now, at times I’ve been pretty darn angry at various people over my lifetime... but never even once did it occur to me to grab a gun and kill them. There must be something in the makeup of liberals— since we already know that they let emotions drive their decisions instead of reason. They act on feeling, not thinking. They don’t trust themselves with a gun, therefore they don’t trust anyone.

It’s kinda frightening to get a peek inside somebody’s head like that. And like I said... EX girlfriend.


28 posted on 01/18/2011 2:27:12 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius

Ooops. “...tapped into...”


29 posted on 01/18/2011 2:28:48 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Andy appears to be firmly stuck on stupid. Maybe a sharp smack to the back of the head with a Buick would cure him.


30 posted on 01/18/2011 2:58:48 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
high school graduates... is there anything they don't know???
31 posted on 01/18/2011 3:02:46 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hopolophobic blissninny


32 posted on 01/18/2011 3:10:58 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If the government turns on us, it's all over anyhow, for crying out loud. The government has tanks, jets, and flame throwers.
The government does indeed have that equipment.
Shouldn't the things you mentioned be regulated like guns as well? If it's freedom from death at your fellow man that you seek then logic dictates that the only answer is yes.

Why does anybody in America need a gun that can shoot and blow away dozens of people in only 30 seconds?
Why does the government need equipment that can shoot and blow away thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, of it's own Citizens in only 30 seconds?

It's simply amazing that you don't see the dichotomy in your own argument.

P.S. - There are still people running those tanks, jets, and flame throwers. It doesn't seem to worry you that those people might go nuts at any time and they've got more guns and equipment than anybody.

33 posted on 01/18/2011 3:11:21 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We live in a country where entertainer-public figure Sarah Palin shoots animals for fun to show what a tough woman she is and to prove she is one of the guys.

Actually it was to fill her freezer. Making liberals like Andy wee themselves is just an entertaining side benefit.

34 posted on 01/18/2011 3:11:56 PM PST by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you hids bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: TigersEye

Most knife wielders fail to protect their bodies from massive trauma due to their belief that a knife is overwhelmingly intimidating and scary.

If you can’t stand, you can’t fight with fists or knives.


35 posted on 01/18/2011 3:13:23 PM PST by texmexis best (`)
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To: texmexis best
If you can’t stand, you can’t fight with fists or knives.

I wouldn't bet my life on that. Where is this "massive trauma" coming from anyway?

36 posted on 01/18/2011 3:15:50 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: philman_36

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


37 posted on 01/18/2011 3:18:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Please donate to FreeRepublic, sanity in a world gone mad!)
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To: Joe Brower
BTTT

Why the Gun is Civilization

38 posted on 01/18/2011 3:19:52 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: jwparkerjr
I don't know of anyone who feels he should have been able to get hold of a weapon, not even the staunches pro-gun, lifetime NRA member.

As one of the latter, I have to say the requirements for prohibiting someone from buying a gun are quite specific and high, as well they should be when we are talking about effectively depriving someone of their right to self defense. The standard is being a convicted felon, having been involentarily committed to a mental hospital, or judged to be mentally incompetent. Just having been arrested, convicted of a misdemeanor or viewed as "mentally very shaky" (by whom?) is not adequate reason, at least not yet. Thank God.

39 posted on 01/18/2011 3:22:49 PM PST by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: TigersEye

Me:

Several martial arts and a former Rugby player.


40 posted on 01/18/2011 3:28:50 PM PST by texmexis best (`)
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To: texmexis best

LOL OK.


41 posted on 01/18/2011 3:31:40 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Sherman Logan

I would think so. But good point. These days doctor-client privelege probably protects the insane.


42 posted on 01/18/2011 3:38:17 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Whoever this infantile little turd is, I see two possible futures for Little Andy...slavery, or being one of the 90% of the population described at the end of "One Second After".

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

43 posted on 01/18/2011 3:38:43 PM PST by wku man (Still holding my breath, but exhaling a bit after Nov. 2...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How old is this writer, 14?

I would like to live in a country that isn't the Wild West anymore - where nobody carried a gun.

Move to Japan.

44 posted on 01/18/2011 3:55:44 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: Puppage
Why does anybody in America need a gun

Thomas Jefferson: "What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people reserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms, the remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them."

George Mason: "To disarm the people [is] the best and most effectual way to enslave them." "the British Parliament was advised by an artful man [Sir William Keith] who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that was the most effectual way to enslave them; but they should not do it openly; but to weaken them, and let them sink gradually, by totally disusing and neglecting the militia."

Adolf Hitler: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall."

Hubert H Humphrey: "The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has always proved to be possible."

In short to kill tyrants and other criminal predators.

45 posted on 01/18/2011 4:17:34 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: texmexis best

We’re not talking about a “knife fight” or someone flashing a knife. Consider a crowd such as the one that Loughner approached with the majority of attention focused forward. The assailant steps up behind someone alone at the back of crowd, stealthily stabs an unseen blade into the victim’s lower back, says, “Excuse me” then quickly moves on to repeat the same maneuver. Yes, you can swarm him and bring him down — they did that with the shooter. But he can kill two or perhaps five or six folks before most of the crowd realizes there’s any kind of attack going on. If one or more of the victims begins screaming, that could easily lead to more confusion rather than less.


46 posted on 01/18/2011 5:12:50 PM PST by old3030 (I lost some time once. It's always in the last place you look.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You, my FRiend, are FUNNY!

[I would like to live in a country that isn’t the Wild West anymore - where nobody carried a gun.]

So, what’s stopping this wuss from moving?


47 posted on 01/18/2011 6:02:53 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Be instrumental in the REVIVAL that will heal our land. ><BCC>)
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To: nerdwithagun

[There are plenty of other times people find themselves with a badguy or several badguys and going gun to gun would be a lot more advantagouse then trying to knife fight with them.]

These turds want you and I to go cell phone to gun.


48 posted on 01/18/2011 6:08:16 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Be instrumental in the REVIVAL that will heal our land. ><BCC>)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Brother, you’re preaching to the preacher, not the choir.


49 posted on 01/18/2011 7:43:28 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These people suffer from obvious and debilitating mental disorders.


50 posted on 01/18/2011 8:27:41 PM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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