Posted on 01/26/2011 5:57:29 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
We don't. Columbia and Occidental have both verified that he attneded.
Obama invites all this with the unprecedented secrecy surrounding his background- be it BC, school records, passport records, what have you.
What makes you think he isn't enjoying "all this?"
How could that possibly be relevant to Obama, given that Obama does NOT have a Certificate of Hawaiin Birth, but rather a standard birth certificate?
For the record, I don't think Abercormbie's birther mind games reflect well on him. Quite the contrary. I wouldn't vote for the guy in a 1000 years.
You are so anxious to jump on any challenge to Obama’s eligibility that you a) call me a liar, and b) demand “a source” without reading the post to which you responded, at which I posted THREE links to sources.
Further I was willing to acknowledged that the source is only online articles, based on an interview with a[n alleged] long-time Abercrombie friend/associate. That is at least as credible as the online COLB, likely more.
You are worthy of no further response. I do not suffer trolls gladly.
Okay. You want to prove me a liar? Show me evidence that he said it.
My apologies for missing it. I did not realize that link was supposed to be a source for your claim.
Okay, so I now see some dude named Mike Evans claims the governor told him there is no BC. I don't believe him, as there's no evidence to corroborate his hearsay evidence.
And no, he's not as credible as the online COLB because the latter has corroborating evidence, namely the statements by outgoing health director Fukino as well as the birth announcements in the papers.
If you add in the photographs of the COLB posted online, the birth announcements in the paper, and the sheer impluasibility of an 18 year old girl traveling to Kenya while 7-8 months pregnant in 1961, the yes, it is good enough for me.
Are you voting for Rahm for mayor of Chicago too?
I don't live in Chicago.
And you believe that COLB? It’s fraudulent.
No it isn't, the claims of some anonymous hack on the internet notwithstanding.
I am not sure of the reason it’s fraudulent, but it’s apparent that his friend the new Gov could NOT find a real BC,
The governor never said that.
so where would the short form come from?
There's only one place it could come from: the long form.
There is talk now that he was adopted by Soetoro and perhaps there is something in the archives about Barry Soetoro, not Barack Obama?
Highly unlikely, but irrelevant.
I don’t know. But there is extensive proof online that the COLB is not legit.
No there isn't.
The burden of proof is on the one making a positive claim, such as "Abercrombie said such and such." The burden is not on the one denying it.
With regard to your comments I understand that if there is a long form birth certificate, then a short form BC is just an abreviated form of that,however, it is my understanding that a short form birth certificate can be issued in Hawaii for individuals that do not have a long form birth certificate and those individuals may or may not have actually been born in Hawaii. His sister’s short form Hawaiian birth certificate was also posted online and she was born in Indonesia.
I don’t have time to go research the Hawaiian laws again now, but I did read them on their own website before Obama was elected and concluded to my own satisfaction that he could have been born elsewhere and still have been able to obtain a short form certificate. If you have time to post links to the laws I would be happy to go review it again.
There are at least two different copies of a short form Hawaiian birth certificate that I have seen online. I could be mistaken that the one on his website and the daily Kos were different. It could have been another site that showed the different one, however, both copies were purported to be real during the run up to the election. Perhaps another freeper has links to the two different ones.
With regard to the newspaper, I would question how anyone at the newspaper would be able to attest that the paper only posted announcements from the Health Bureau information since that was some 50 years ago. Even in banking it would be difficult to attest to a policy the bank had 50 years ago, let alone a newspaper. It was common practice for grandparents to request birth announcements.
No expert to the best of my knowledge has ever seen the original for testing purposes, however, there are some experts who have stated that the online copies appear to be forgeries. Until the original long form birth certificate has been examined by several different experts and found to be authentic I am withoulding an opinion as to where Obama was born.
I will look up the court case you mentioned, when I have more time. I have looked through legal decisions on this mater quite extensively, however, and to date I have not found one case that specifically provides a definition for the term “natural born citizen”.
With regard to my memory and my honesty they are both in tact. I went to school with an individual who had a father that was a U.S. citizen born in the USA, and a mother that was foreign born and was not a citizen at the time of the birth. The mother became a U.S. Citizen before the second child was born. This family became the example used in my classes year after year to explain to the students what the term “natural born citizen” meant. We were taught that the first child was inelligible to be president when they grew up because only one parent was a citizen at the time of their birth. The second child would be eligible because both parents were citizens at the time of the second child’s birth. I was among the top students in my classes and I am still friends with the family that was used as the example, so don’t try telling me that no one used that definition in the 1960’s or that I have a bad memory about this.
Perhaps we can agree to disagree at this point in time as you obviously have opinions that are just as strong as mine.
There are many people even today who beleive this is the only interpretation of the “natural born citizen clause”. Quite frankly I beleive it is the only interpretation which makes any sense since our founding fathers would clearly not have allowed for anyone who might also be a British subject to become president. You are, however, entitled to your opinion until such time as the supreme court provides us with a less ambiguous definition.
Abercrombie is a lying, deceitful, dishonest idiot.
Governors can’t release someone elses birth certificate anyway. That’s an abuse of power.
10th grade civics and the knowledge of whether the person in question was born in the USA.
FYI, this supposed "friend" is backtracking, as I suspected he would:
Not if the short form birth certificate says the individual was born in Hawaii, as Obama's does.
Under a 1982 law, someone born out of state can get a short form BC, but it will list their true birthlace.
His sister’s short form Hawaiian birth certificate was also posted online and she was born in Indonesia.
That's a birther myth that is simply not true. Like many of these things, it was simply made up out of thin air.
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