[curiosity]

With regard to your comments I understand that if there is a long form birth certificate, then a short form BC is just an abreviated form of that,however, it is my understanding that a short form birth certificate can be issued in Hawaii for individuals that do not have a long form birth certificate and those individuals may or may not have actually been born in Hawaii.

Not if the short form birth certificate says the individual was born in Hawaii, as Obama's does.

Under a 1982 law, someone born out of state can get a short form BC, but it will list their true birthlace.

His sister’s short form Hawaiian birth certificate was also posted online and she was born in Indonesia.

That's a birther myth that is simply not true. Like many of these things, it was simply made up out of thin air.

[Flamenco Lady]

I just found this in my notes regarding the statute that allows for the registration of a child born outside of Hawaii. I don’t remember where I copied this information from, but I beleive this was the statute that I read in detail and from which I concluded that a short form birth certificate was insufficient evidence.

“Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. Statute 338 is in substance and 178 are minor revisions.The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had NOT been previously registered in Hawaii.

Since Hawaii issues “Certificates of Live Birth” to children not born in Hawaii and “Birth Certificates” to children who are born in Hawaii, the only way to know where Hussein Obama was actually born is to view Hussein Obama’s original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him.”

With regard to Maya’s certificate, I do not recall ever seeing the actual certificate online myself, just reading several references that it had been posted online. There was at least one example I did see posted online of an individual who was not born in Hawaii and had a Hawaiian birth certificate, however.

The law that went into effect in 1982 is irrelevant since Obama was born in 1961 before this law was in effect. His birth could have been registered by the grandparents with the Health department in 1961 and we don’t know what proof if any they would have shown to the health officials.